Fly the FLAG!
The CHAT-M-Room
on Cape Cod, MA
(Town Common)


Established on Jan 27th, 2005
CHAT-M-Room
Photo Album
Do you want to talk about subjects related to Chatham, MA?
Discuss history, places, people or events, ask/answer questions, or anything else connected to past or present Chatham here.

Note: This is a moderated chatroom! Any comments that do not relate to the intended subjects may be deleted, and editing of all comments is at the sole discretion of moderator(s).

FAQ's about CHAT-M-Room         Index to CHAT-M-Room

Technical questions? Please email "CHATMRoomCC @ Yahoo.Com"

Note: Posts from Aug-Dec 2012 are not available online. Available missing data has not yet been recovered from log files after site failure back then.

Year TeleCAM ĘCHATham ROOMĘ History
2001 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2002 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2003 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2004 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
Year CHAT-M-Room History (Town Common)
2005 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2006 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2007 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2008 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2009 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2010 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2011 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2012 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2013 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2014 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2015 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2016 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11 - 12
2017 01 - 02 - 03 - XX -
2018 XX -
2019 XX -
2020 XX -
2021 XX -

Click Here to add your comments to the CHAT-M-Room (Town Common)

Just a colorful divider

Amy - She needs to be removed from that committee asap. No one deserves to be on any committee that acts like that. What it is with these housing advocates? Some are known for bullying people, calling folks "NIMBY's and the latest with this loon completely going off the grid doesn't say much
to help their endeavors . All they succeed in doing is turning more and more against them.

JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 06:31:06
That speaker was Shirley Smith an elected member of the Chatham housing authority. It was appalling to hear her say that those of us for the turtles were disingenuous. I was completely taken aback by her accusations. Long live goose pond forest forever.
Amy
USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 06:01:34
Good to hear that many are still attending Chatham Town Meetings. My first was probably 1955. As a CHS student. Still interested in what goes on in Chatham.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 17:57:16
I have never been at a Town Meeting where someone acted as crazy as this loon did. It was more than rude and uncalled for. She yelled at everyone before she was booed off the podium. I was told she either works or used to work for one of the town's affordable housing committees'. She should be fired if she still works for the town. There was no reason for her to act that way.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 16:25:54
I was at the Town Meeting last Sat. to vote on the Goose Pond articles. There was this person who spoke and at times very loudly saying they were VERY UPSET because the voters who voted against giving up some of Goose Pond Land for affordable housing,. They went on to say, those people were acting very selfish for not wanting to give some of it up and that we were acting like spoiled kids who don't want to share their toys. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, call me selfish because I will NEVER vote to give up (not even a postage size piece of Goose Pone land) for any reason!!!. Chatham has 3 pieces of land that is conservation land and Goose is one of them. We cannot let people try to take this away from us because once it's gone it is gone forever! There are other pieces of land that should be investigated for keeps your grubby hands of Goose. Also, if I remember, that piece of land was donated to the town to be conservation!
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 15:52:07
I was at the Town Meeting last Sat. to vote on the Goose Pond articles. There was this person who spoke and at times very loudly saying they were VERY UPSET because the voters who voted against giving up some of Goose Pond Land for affordable housing,. They went on to say, those people were acting very selfish for not wanting to give some of it up and that we were acting like spoiled kids who don't want to share their toys. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, call me selfish because I will NEVER vote to give up (not even a postage size piece of Goose Pone land) for any reason!!!. Chatham has 3 pieces of land that is conservation land and Goose is one of them. We cannot let people try to take this away from us because once it's gone it is gone forever! There are other pieces of land that should be investigated for keeps your grubby hands of Goose. Also, if I remember, that piece of lands was donated to the town to be conservation!
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 15:35:48
Actually that's Main St there near the Eldredge garage
Bruce
USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 10:05:35
Agree about the Chatham roads. That bad patch job that was done on 28 next to the Eldredge Garage lot needs work. I hope they plan to put a final smooth layer on top so cars don't bottom out there.
Bruce
USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 10:02:21
Remembering those "summer jobs" we had back then
Working for Harold Tuttle on the city road crew, working for the eastward ho golf course grounds crew, rolling clay tennis courts at CBI, grocery clerk for Roy Bearse in West Chatham, waitresses at long gone but fabulous places like the Chtistopher Ryder House, store clerks at high end tourist stops like mark fore and strike, and of course being on the town baseball team.
But the best part was we all got to know one another after work at beach parties and keggers at places like the Pit
Are the kids these days still enjoying their summers as much as John, Emily, Judy's mom, and I did back then?
If so who cares whether they are just summer kids rich or poor
It's the experience that is important and stays with you

ben h
USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 21:53:41
And remember that us non-residents pay the majority of the property tax in town here but have no votes in how it's spent. I don't recall the exact percentage but believe it's around 62%+.
Plus, we pay MA state income taxes on rental income,
VERY displeased in the vote to raise STR tax by 2% as making rentals very expensive compared to other locations.

J Hallgren
S Chatham , MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 20:47:22
I know a great number of summer home owners. For the most part, they love Chatham as much as we year-rounders do. Most live in their homes from mid-
June to September and most of their kids work all summer. Many have owned homes
in Chatham for more than 20 years. I'm sure there are some of the "ugly summer visitors" you are describing, but they are certainly not the norm. Norma Avellar said yesterday at the Town Meeting that the town of Chatham has benefitted greatly from the taxes paid by the these people.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 19:16:53
Mmm, I wonder if those summer home owners not from MA would like to pay MA state income taxes. How about vehicle excise tax? You can't have it both ways, a right to vote but not pay income taxes.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 16:23:21
Oh please, NO! Yesterday's marathon Town Meeting is our last vestige of REAL Chatham, people, opinions, history and love for an ever-ending community. These summer people who spend less than one month here in their mega- mansions all year, are making big bucks on renting their houses , while contributing nothing.....not even college kids who are willing to work! They are draining the life out of Chatham.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 09:38:19
Anyone know Mike Schell's view on Summer residence voting at a regular Town Meeting?
Tony Murphy
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/14/2022 - 17:30:46
Speaking of poorly maintained roads, the road between the Fish Pier and the traffic lights in North Chatham should have been repaired/patched many years ago. It is a Town road.
What does it take to get road repairs done in Chatham?
Gibby Borthwick , former DPW Head, would have had this resolved, even if he had to be the lead person on the job spreading the minimal hot mix/ cool patch required.
Gibby was a hands on kind of guy and had the respect of most.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/14/2022 - 17:23:29
Good Luck with that one Bob. See no rain soon. Oh well.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/13/2022 - 20:51:12
Bob!!! Haha!!! Lots of tension about it - best to get it over with and move on!
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 05/13/2022 - 20:49:11
With any luck it will rain tomorrow, mid-day.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/13/2022 - 19:42:42
Richard - it's a known fact our Town Manager has problems prioritizing items in town that need attention. The more pressing issue at this point is the Town Meeting and upcoming election. We need a change with new ideas and new people . Until that happens don't expect any of the things you have mentioned to be done.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/12/2022 - 06:33:36
Do not hesitate to vote in Chatham for the two openings for selectman in this years election. Nine years is enough. Chatham needs new ideas and energy on the select board. Vote fo Pleffner and Schell.
Earl Hubbard <efhub19292@gmail.com>
southbury, CT USA - Wed 05/11/2022 - 18:29:38
Can anyone remember when the last time Route 28 was repaved.? My Dad told me that the sidewalks on Old Harbor Road were redone in anticipation of the road being redone. He has sadly been gone for too many years.
But Route 28 is still in a deplorable condition. Lots of things that can be addressed with a scalping of the surface. sending it off to Dennis for recycling, and a return for repaving. Do any of your Selectboard actually use Route 28 going to Orleans? Are they not aware of the influence they might have on speeding up this type of project?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/11/2022 - 17:24:35
This Saturday is Chatham Town Meeting. Hosing vs. the Environment. Chatham can have both.

Pressure the School Committee to allow affordable housing on Stepping Stone. Vote NO on Article 62

Keep Middle Road's 19 acres intact. Vote YES to Article 63 Goose Pond Forest.

danyoung <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/11/2022 - 06:47:12
After traversing Route 28 from Eastham to Chatham in support of the maintenance of the CG36500, why is it that the sections of Route 28 that are in Chatham and Orleans are in such disrepair, but the Harwich section has been repaved? And the mid lane reflectors have been removed from the Chatham and Orleans sections, but the Harwich section has been untouched?
Does anyone in either towns have a say in the timing of the repaving of Route 28 (North or South)? I know it is on the list of repaving projects for the State.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/10/2022 - 17:54:05
You may have received a postcard in this past weekend's mail from the West Chatham Village and Business Association urging you to vote yes on the airport articles. Just a note here - this organization exists only in the mind of the return address. Vote NO on these articles and leave the airport ALONE.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 05/09/2022 - 17:04:40
Richard - you hit the nail on the head. Chatham has shady politics at best. Look at the review the Town Manager received in Falmouth. He had the same issues mentioned tgat were unsatisfactory that our Board of Selectmen gave our Town Manager high marks for. Just ridiculous. The majority of our Board gave her high marks for poor performance. We have an issue with a few members of our Board . It's also not right for the "next in line" to have this Police Chief position without proper vetting of other candidates. In addition, for the incumbent selectman to run for a 4th term (12 years) is insane. This individual shows up late to meetings, is never prepared, doesn't respond to emails and has a demanding full time job as CFO to a healthcare company in Hyannis. He is a liaison on the Cemetery Commission and we all know how well that committee has performed. We need a change. Unfortunately the choices for this position are not great . We have one candidate whose only platform is affordable housing, another who has some questionable supporters, and the incumbent . Think carefully before casting your vote.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 19:05:04
Lobstering is much less complicated than Town of Chatham politics.
If a new Chief is hired, does he or she start at a somewhat lower pay level? And work up to what the present Chief is making?
Must be a ton of potential applicants out there.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 17:08:39
The letter to Scott Carpenter was sent on April 14 by Town Manager. I have a copy of the letter that asked them for an agenda item .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 11:53:46
Has anyone wondered why there hasn't been any mention of a new Police Chief to replace Mr PAWLINA? I would have thought a search would be underway by now .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 11:50:32
Correct Dan. Between the 2+ acres on Stepping Stones and the school acreage on the hill to the west of the ball fields accessible from Stepping Stones, there is likely well over 4.5 acres of land that the MRSD is not using or will ever need that could have been declared surplus quickly. It is leased Chatham municipal property. When the Regional Agreement was negotiated back in 2012 we never should have included 32 acres for a Middle School.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 08:59:00
Thank you Elaine for the update.

So instead of using Stepping Stones for affordable housing where the infrastructure already exists, they want to tear up 4.5 acres in Goose Pond Forest.

This does not make any sense.

danyoung <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 07:51:09
Has anyone wondered why there hasn't been any mention of a new Police Chief to replace Mr PAWLINA? I would have thought a search would be underway by now .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 07:21:13
This is inexcusable. The Board agreed to send a letter and I believe they ordered the Town Manager to do this. Why hasn't she complied?
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 06:59:32
Dan, Chatham staff/TM/SB have not even brought it to the MRSD School Board for consideration to declare acreage surplus.
Why Town staff and the AH Trust never identified it as a great option is a mystery. Had they acted months ago when the property was identified by the public as a serious option for AH, it could have been incorporated in the Regional Agreement Amendment Warrant Article next week. Inexplicable.

Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/04/2022 - 22:50:32
What was the School Committee's decision on the Stepping Stones land?

Has it been deemed surplus?

Can this land be used for affordable sustainable housing?

danyoung <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/04/2022 - 08:24:21
just a lurker these days but want you to know how much I enjoy Ned and Richard talking lobstering. My uncle Jim relocated to Chatham full time in 1951 from dairy farming in Pepperell thinking he could succeed as a lobsterman. He purchased some cottages on Kettle Drum Lane and a garage from McMullen at CBI.
After being licensed he set out his pots and failed miserably. He got along well with all the fishermen and they said "why don't you open a bowling alley?"
That's how the old CBI garage became a bowling alley.

ben h
USA - Tue 05/03/2022 - 20:15:46
There IS the magic of the unknown, just before you get to haul a trap. You just never know what might be there. Then, the downer when there is nothing. One time, off the CT coast, I hauled a trap with at least 6 large tautog in it - pretty much jammed in, they were.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/03/2022 - 16:29:54
All I need to see is a campaign sign with a photo of the candidate and I know why they are running.
Dan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/02/2022 - 21:36:28
Richard: Thanks for the usual helpful background. You sure know a lot about a wide spectrum of things. I've got to give it a shot. One of our boys worked at the Chatham Fish Pier for a summer. As far as getting bait, I was planning on stopping by there and see if I could get a small pail of fish guts for $20. We just plan on having 2 traps and will likely set them between Holway Street and the Fish Pier. I'll report back on how it goes. Thanks again.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/02/2022 - 16:11:15
Should be spelled dying.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/02/2022 - 10:50:04
Thanks for the update on lobster roll pricing. Lobsters must be dieing in their tanks, and need to be cooked before they are gone.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/01/2022 - 17:51:57
Richard - Brax Landing has the best lobster rolls (my opinion) for under $30. Check it out. I was there a few weeks ago and it was $28 I believe and over 8 oz of lobster meat with no mayo.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 05/01/2022 - 08:22:21
If, at last years room rental prices at CBI were at a level of $ twelve hundred yes ($1200) a night, why would there be any resistance to high lobster meat prices at what they are now? Lots of folks have not gone out to eat for several years, and there is a strong demand in many markets.
Lobster rolls at $40.00? We'll see.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/30/2022 - 17:49:32
Ned and Julie:
Don St. Pierre had many pots in Chatham Harbor for many years. He sold his commercial license for $25K. Others I have heard of had pots near the fish pier, near their moorings. Big problem will be getting bait for your traps.
I had 30 traps in Long Island Sound 35 years ago. Hauled them by hand. I got bait form the local fish market -" flounder racks", etc.
Folks would rob my traps, and maybe leave an empty beer can. Dave Ryder had five traps outside the Chatham Bar. He and my mother ate 80 lobsters between them one summer. Bait was not a problem for him.
Suggest you buy what live lobsters might please you both and cook them at home.. Consider culls. Lobster meat is selling for $70.00 a pound now.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/29/2022 - 17:56:33
All: Does anyone know when the "Schoolies" start to run off of Chatham? I believe its imminent, right? If there are any lobsterman our there, we have a quick question. For Valentine's Day, Julie and I gave each other Lobster Traps. Once we get the licenses secured we plan to set them up in Pleasant Bay. I've gotten some tips from my brother Billy, who is super experienced, yet moved to Maine to really do some lobstering. Question: Is locally securing a couple of lobsters occasionally on our own a bit of a pipe-dream and should we just buy them at Mac's Seafood? Any guidance or historical lobstering stories appreciated. I understand that the earlier Cape settlers used them for fertilizer.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/29/2022 - 09:57:29
To Richard Ryder---just read your post about how many boat models, cousin Dick Matteson, has made over the years. I don't know the number, but he donated some beauties over at the Old Atwood House. They are amazing. My brother, Craig Matteson made many as well. We have a few here in our home. Such talent!
Betsy Matteson Crowell <marbet73@aol.com>
Litchfield, ME USA - Wed 04/27/2022 - 20:55:40
At the Select Board meeting tonight - they are discussing the Town Manager's performance evaluation. Once again she was given high praises. Mr Metters made an excellent point that Not all comments were read aloud. It's too bad because they make her sound as though she walks on water - which many of us have an issue with. We pay her over $200K yearly and taxpayers have the absolute right to know how the Board of Selectmen (that we elect) evaluate her. I have made a public records request for the number of lawsuits as well as the costs involved, along with the number of employees that have left since the Town Manager started. She chose to ignore my request so I complained to the Secretary of State. She has been ordered to produce these records. All is not what it appears - and there are many things going on here that have been covered up for too long.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 04/26/2022 - 19:39:15
Richard, you'd have gotten a kick out of all the kids on the military bases we were at when Colors was sounded. All these little kids out playing, ages 2-13ish.

Colors sounds and ALL the kids stop what they were doing, face the flag and salute. No adult had to tell them what to do....they just did it. It was amazing.

JimP
USA - Mon 04/25/2022 - 07:56:32
One other flagpole story.
As a Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class, while standing Mate of the Day Watch at the Naval Hospital Portsmouth, NH one winter night, it was my duty to supervise the lowering of the "colors" at sunset. We were under the evil eye of the Marines at the Portsmouth Naval prison nearby, so we tried to be accurate as far as sunset colors were concerned.
But, a No'theaster had wound the flag around the pole very tightly and we were not able to get the flag down until around 2300 or so when the wind had moderated enough. It was done quietly.
Later on in my career I learned that Marines have a high regard for Navy Corpsmen who serve with them. The Navy "docs" who serve with them, and will die with them, and for them.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/21/2022 - 17:35:15
Richard: Holy smokes, now that's a cool story. Many thanks for sharing it. I'll be sure to check it out this summer.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/20/2022 - 20:40:19
I have a Flag Pole story for you.
At the Old Harbor Station, there was a flagpole made from a pole that Brother John gave me. It went through several winters, but it met it's demise one particularly strong blow.
Along comes a call from Uncle Bill Ryder, who says to me " Richard, do you have any use for a mast from the SS Pendleton Life boat"? He had boarded the stern of the tanker a few days after the rescue and took off whatever wasn't fastened. He and other Chatham pirates.
I said, hesitantly, Sure I can find a home for it.
So, it was installed surrepeticiously at the Old Harbor Station at Race Point.
So, the former mast from the Pendleton Lifeboat is now the flagpole for the Station. I think this is where it should be.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/20/2022 - 18:56:43
Tommy et. al.: Appreciate the tip and happy to report that we have a Hamco flag pole ordered. The woman (Meghan) who helped us, responded with a nice laugh when I told her a friend had advised that Hamco got started in Chatham. She indicated that the original owner had saved incredibly detailed records of all flag poles it had ever (going back more than 60 years) provided and the applicable address and owner. She indicated that the "records were really cool." I thought that was pretty neat. Super nice people at Hamco. In any event, I appreciate the kind guidance and look forward to proudly flying both old glory and a nice Chatham flag if I can locate one.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 22:05:04
Bruce, It ain 't what it used to be. The seals have taken over. They eat whatever they can find. That includes young haddock and codfish. And Fluke that were in Pleasant Bay.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 18:01:08
I haven't seen commercial fishing boats going out from or returning to Chatham Fish Pier in quite some time. Does anyone know why? Has commercial fishing been halted here for some reason?
Bruce
USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 14:22:58
I haven't seen fishing boats going out from or returning to Chatham Fish Pier in quite some time. Does anyone know why that would be? Has fishing stopped here? It's been several months since fishing boats unloaded their catch here.
Bruce
USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 14:16:52
Richard, Thank you very much for the Bronze Surfman's marker. Thank you also for all you do to keep memories alive.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 09:43:21
Ned, Hamco flag polls was started right here in Chatham.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 23:03:13
Ned, perhaps Tom Birch can steer you in the right direction. He makes sure that there are flags flying at the Shack by Chatham Light.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 20:40:56
All: Can anyone give us some guidance on a local business that sells Flag Poles? As always, many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 20:09:43
It was good to meet fellow descendants of members of the U.S. Life-Saving Service. With 4 stations in the Town of Chatham, and each having a minimum of 7 men mostly from 1872 to 1915, there must be a bunch more Grandchildren of these Life-Savers around.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 17:28:20
Richard, on behalf of the James family, please accept our most sincere thanks for your generous gift. I so enjoyed visiting with you and look forward to more conversations.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 04/17/2022 - 11:15:07
Richard - you outdid yourself!! Well done on the Bronze Surfman marker!!! That was a sincerely class act on your part, kudos to you!!!

I owe you a lunch when next up here!!

A sincere: "Thank you."
Jim.

JimP
USA - Sat 04/16/2022 - 21:59:24
I wanted to say "Thank you" very much to Richard Ryder for the bronze Surfman grave marker for my greatfather, Capt. George Nickerson Harding. It is absolutely stunning and a wonderful memory of his service. It was a pleasure to meet you yesterday!

Ned - Not sure what "exact" questions you have regarding the City Hall system; however, it is very safe and I've used it many times.

JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 04/16/2022 - 13:52:56
Richard: At some point this Spring, would you like to come over to our place on Cedar Street and see the Asparagus Patch (and take some home)? It's been there for over 40 years and is pretty prolific. Mike and Barbara Doyle put it in (and they sure knew what they were doing). On another topic, does anyone know anything about the automated system "cityhallsystem" that the Town of Chatham uses? Any background or history on it would be appreciated. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/16/2022 - 10:52:32
After watching the most recent BOS meeting regarding the possibility of re-acquiring a few acres on Stepping Stones Rd to build a few affordable or attainable homes, I was stunned by how much the "process" got in the way of the "progress"! No wonder nothing gets done. They can't see the forest for the trees. If all the projects they talked about "teed up and in the queue" waiting to be started, no lest completed, there are just too many irons in the fire, too many Indians and NO CHIEF. Time for change.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/14/2022 - 13:17:02
My Dad Dave Ryder grew asparagus at our family home at 220 /218 Old Harbor Road in the late 40's, early 50's. Across the street were some characters. Two brothers (abby Donut included) and a sister who had two cows and a horse. They sold raw milk. Now their pasture land has two houses on it. There were cows pastured in West Chatham.
I can't go back to Chatham except to visit. It is totally not the same place.
And, the loss of the elms on main street changed the shady ambience that brought folks to visit initially. Before air conditioning.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/13/2022 - 19:35:54
Amy - I am so disappointed with all of them. I hope voters will recognize this and vote in the two new folks that are running. Enough is enough. We need new blood in Town Management YESTERDAY.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 20:04:15
Right on Judy. They couldn't get out of their own way. Had they acted two to three weeks ago, it could have been put on the town meeting warrant. Instead, all of a sudden, they are not sure how to proceed on affordable housing measures. No wonder nothing gets done.
Amy
USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 19:48:58
If anyone wonders why Chatham has such an awful time trying to figure out affordable/attainable housing - watch the replay of tonight's BOS meeting on the agenda item regarding housing. The Select Board is trying to figure out how to approach the School Committee about using the excess land which is 30+ acres . The Town of Chatham leases this to the Monomoy School District. This is why nothing gets done. I give Vice Chair Davis credit for her comments .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 19:16:41
I would trade box wine from Chile for asparagus from Chatham.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 17:49:08
All: New and much more interesting topic. Sometime this summer or early Fall, Julie and I wanted to see if we could subsist for 30 days exclusively off-the-land in Chatham. We have a very large vegetable garden (thanks to our friends Mike and Barbara Doyle) and we clam and fish regularly. If you know what you are doing (which I don't yet) you can apparently eat lots of other stuff (e.g., Burdock, Cattail, Clovers, Chickweed, Fiddleheads, Curled Dock, etc.). The only thing Julie is concerned with is the fact that we don't produce wine. I told her that she could always barter for a bottle of vino with tomatoes or asparagus. I think that it is doable - heck, it would probably be as healthy as heck and add a few years to our lives. What do you folks think? Does anyone have any stories about eating local unusual wood fare?
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 10:00:13
Ned, Cut and paste this into your address bar and it may answer some of your questions. Or you can call Ben Nickerson or Milley and I am sure they would be happy to take care of your brush until you can stop the sticker office and work this out. I think your timing is off as most people don't get new stickers at this time of year. They are open a lot more in June when there is a lot more demand. And they are always very nice. As you can see from the website you can call the Community Development number for help. They are very nice too.
https://www.chatham-ma.gov/311/Sticker-Office

Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 20:18:06
Karen: Many thanks for the number (508-945-5108). No luck. We just now called it and a recording advised that we "have reached the Chatham Sticker Office after hours, please call back during normal business hours. It's 2:10 p.m. EST. No opportunity to leave a message either. This is a tad disappointing. If anyone has a bit of guidance, can you please flip us a private email (don't want to clog up the Chat-M-Room with silly stuff like this). I want to be diplomatic, but, we have some brush to move. We have now called and emailed repeatedly - to no avail. Many thanks!
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 14:17:59
Sticker office number is 508-945-5180
Karen
USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 12:57:18
Howdy: Does anyone have an actual telephone number for the Town of Chatham office that issues Transfer Station decals? The system has gone automated and it has some issues to put it kindly. Case in point, we tried unsuccessfully to order new decals (and submitted the requisite ownership documentation) and were advised that there is no record of our owning a home in Chatham (no one answers the number they listed to call if there are problems - nor will they respond to emails). Geez, I wonder if this now means we can disregard our $3.3K Real Estate Tax bill that's due next month. All kidding aside, we have a bunch of brush to take to the Transfer Station and any guidance from the Chat-M-Room would be appreciated. Many thanks!
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 11:58:21
I am looking for anyone who worked at Rose Acres or later at the Stage Harbor Inn. Also, Brooks Academy, which was there one year. Thanks.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/10/2022 - 23:11:28
Richard - unfortunately the deadline was 3/31 to turn in papers to run for Select Board.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 21:39:44
If there are any Ryders in Chatham that decide to run for Selectman (person/board) I have a large metal car roof mounted sign that says RYDER For Selectman, which I used here in Eastham in a low budget race. Admittedly, I only had three roadside signs, which I would move around to give best exposure.
(Maybe I really didn't want to be subjected to so many evening meetings.)
What say you Karen and Mike and Bob?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 17:04:06
Earl - Thank you! I hope the Selectman that is running for the third term is voted out. He has done nothing. He is the liaison to the Cemetery Committee and the cemeteries are still a mess. As far as the Town Manager - she should have left years ago. Chatham needs an influx of new blood in Town Management. Hopefully this election coming up will help put new folks in office.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 15:39:30
Judy, Read your article in CCC. It hit all iproblem issues currently in Chatham. Poor management by TM and Select Board. We need another selectman to retire so that two new persons could be elected. New energy new ideas
Earl H <ehubbard1929@yahoo.com>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 14:04:35
Judy,Finally read your article in Mar 31 CCC. Excellent, you hit every button of the issues in Chatham. Poor management by TM and Select Board. We need another selectman to retire and vote in new blood with new ideas.
Earl <ehubbard1929@yahoo.com>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 13:55:16
FYI - Cape Cod Chronicle news update:
https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5714/news_shorts/8573/Former-Select-Board-Member-Florence-Seldin-Passes-Away.htm

Going to miss her as never had any issues with how she did things for the town.

J Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/06/2022 - 15:49:33
I think Dad had preferred a boat with a cutaway forefront. In other words, the bow was not all perpendicular to the sea. Like a knife edge in front of you, but having the edge of the knife somewhat reduced so the rudder was not overwhelmed with a following sea.
No wonder he never let me take the wheel when we were retuning from a fishing trip. I might have been in my 20's. Steering to a compass course was allowed, in thick fog. But once we got close to the bar, it was his show. Rightfully so. You could see clam shells and the sandy bottom. It was always shallow.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/05/2022 - 19:23:32
"MARIE S" will cover Joe Stapleton's boat name. One important component of several of the broaching events on and near Chatham bar over the years was "deep forefoot" of the vessels involved. Those boats handled very differently from other designs. Much harder to handle in following seas.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/04/2022 - 17:58:24
We certainly were aware of the loss of the Novi boat "Cachalot", which carried two fine men to their watery demise. Another broaching event. Archie Nickerson and the father of Murray Larkin, a former brother in Law.
Were these casualties due to design flaws in the boats that were built in Nova Scotia?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/04/2022 - 17:45:16
The broaching of Joe Stapleton's boat was well covered in Bernie Webber's book "Chatham, The Lifeboatmen". Kinda eerie the way he describes it. And what didn't happen afterward. "Joe Stape" apparently never gave Bernie any thanks for picking him up out of the water. I don't remember Joe's boat name, but Brother Bob wil hopefully fill in.
There are three broachings on Chatham Bar that I know of, in my lifetime. Some with loss of life. Are there more in recent times?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/04/2022 - 17:29:59
I had purchased a model of the Boudreau boat the Bluenose from Dick Matteson. He had made a model for me of the Sea Peach. And I do have another boat model made by Dick. The model of the Jeannie S. was probably made by him as well. He has a good eye for such things. I wonder just how many models he has made?
Turns out that the co-owner of Chatham Boat, Paul Avellar, had been a crewperson on the Bluenose as a young person. So, I gave him the model of the Bluenose.
The Chatham Boat Company has been very supportive of the CG36500 over the years.

The broaching of the Jeannie S. was never discussed in the Ryder household, to my knowledge, although Dave and Alice Ryder must have known about it.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/03/2022 - 17:25:22
The Man Overboard retrospective story (CCC 30 March) loops back to another fisherman who died at sea, but Bill Amaru couldn't have known that it echoes Eddie Boudreau's father's fate. His daughter Phyllis relates that "my grandfather died by drowning also on a fishing boat he went over. The captain wouldn't stop right away and by the time they turned around he had drowned. I'm sure my father had that on his mind while this episode was unfolding." That was Louis Nectaire Boudreau (1875 - 1934) who perished in a dory from the Dot and Hellieh along with three others, two from other schooners in a storm off Wedgeport, Nova Scotia on 30 December 1934. Details are in a findagrave.com obit for Louis.

A news clipping contemporary to the Man Overboard incident details how on February 4, 1956 Ted Hyora was the crew mate with Edward Boudreau during the rescue. The details blur between the two articles as retellings often grow. The rescue captain was Eddie of Eddie's Fishmarket, whose shop photo also appeared in this CCC issue titled Remember When?, captioned Phillips Market in Chatham, 1960s.

Presumably Eddie received a citation from the Humane Society like Ted Hyora did.

Donna Hyora <webscribe@montana.com>
Missoula, MT USA - Fri 04/01/2022 - 14:05:54
Jeff - agree with you 100%. I am more than livid taxpayers are paying for the developer's screw up. It should make folks wonder what else we have unknowingly paid for. . It was an outstanding letter. I hope folks remember this at voting time when one of the Select Board can be replaced. He's been here way too many terns, and like our Town Manager, needs to go.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
Wchatham, MA USA - Fri 04/01/2022 - 12:48:14
Excellent Letter to the Editor in this weeks Chronicle from Jon Alberts regarding the recent storm water drainage project in Riverbay Estates. My wife and I fully agree with the sentiments expressed. I would suggest that the $300K+ expenditure was a misuse of State Chapter 90 funds. It is disappointing to see the town manager, town consul, and most select board members aligned so closely with the developer/builder in question.
Jeff Hendel <jlhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/01/2022 - 09:17:12
Another big investment firm buying Chatham property (Wayside). Just what Chatham does not need. How soon before they want to knock it down for condos?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 22:53:59
FYI Breaking News from Chronicle - Wayside Inn sold for $18 million
https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5713/news_shorts/8548/Wayside-Inn-Sells-For-$18-Million.htm

J Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 17:58:19
Ned:
The librarian at Chase Library asked me if it was ok for him to record/flim the talk, so I guess you could contact him. The Library is only open a couple of days a week. Check it out on the web.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 17:34:07
Richard: Was your speech recorded? If not, please let us know when your next one is. We'd enjoy sitting in if possible. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 10:09:16
Richard, as you remember, Johnny Caton was on our Little League Team, the Chatham Gulls. He was a good pitcher.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 09:07:55
Carolyn Caton had no connection with the people who owned the camp on North Beach.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/30/2022 - 19:04:14
Gave a talk yesterday about the CG36500 at the Chase Library in West Harwich. One attendee was Carolyn Caton, who grew up on Old Academy Road, but had to leave after her father died. and her mother sold the house. Her brother John Caton served in the USAF and retired at a high enlisted level.
I found that her Grandfather and My grandfather had served together in the early Coast Guard at Monomoy Station. You just never know.
And the aunt of her family who had owned what became our camp on North Beach had actually drowned in Pleasant Bay along with her husband. Maybe 1945 or so.
The beat goes on.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/30/2022 - 19:01:39
Jen, another question for possible consideration could be, Any ideas for how daughter and mother might repair relationship? Just sayin.
Bruce
USA - Wed 03/30/2022 - 16:35:41
Hmmm, interesting. Coincidence? Eversource increased its dividend by 6% (up .035 cents p/s)last month. Now they filed for a "temporary" rate increase which will add $3.50 to the average electric bill (distribution costs).
John S. <jmstevenson@pa.net>
Gettysburg, PA USA - Tue 03/29/2022 - 09:19:16
Thank you, Bill. I really appreciate it.
Jen
USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:53:26
Very interesting case. When I was involved with the Eastham M. Church, someone donated a very large dollhouse for potential sale at a Church Rummage Sale/Auction.
How much to charge for it? Make an offer.
This is different - more personal.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:52:37
Jen, send her lawyer a letter with the judgement and demand she make the doll house available. That should get things moving.

You also have the right to send the mother a letter stating the same if the lawyer no longer represents her.

If there is no response the next step is going to court for supplementary process. You will subpoena the mother and she must go to court to answer. Unlike the original lawsuit she must appear.

Go to small claims court clerk and ask them how to do this.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:40:33
Wow, six days with no conflicts?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:21:33
Question for the group: Dad makes dollhouse for daughter. Dad passes away. Mother/Daughter relationship ends. Daughter tells mother she needs to retrieve personal property (dollhouse etc.). Mothers' attorney threatens police action if daughter trespasses. Daughter files small claims, but mother will default. Any ideas on how daughter can get her dollhouse back? Thanks!
Jen
USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 16:56:18
Jared, follow this link. Public white pages. Not private info. May or may not be current.

https://www.whitepages.com/name/John-H-Schiffner/Harwich-MA/PL3NqzLkky1

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/23/2022 - 14:24:33
Does anyone here have contact info for John Schiffner? Email me if you can help.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/22/2022 - 19:00:27
Tommy Doane:
Hezekiah Doane must have been your Great Grandfather, right? He being aged 72 in 1915. The same year Dave Ryder was born. Did he have a son with the same name?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 19:01:17
oh yes hearing the osprey at 5am is a true sign of Spring here. A lot of new birds this week.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 18:03:18
Two Ospreys on separate nests at or near the Orleans Rotary today . Aren't they some of the coolest creatures that come by here to spend some time? Like Great White Sharks, Whales of many types? Hummingbirds?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 17:32:49
Linda & I saw 3 Ospreys at Ryders Cove today. Spring must be here.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 17:15:49
All: We went to all of the Chatham cemeteries this past Saturday and checked them out. We said some prayers for some friends that have passed and read the histories on the stones. Beautiful places, all of them. Many of the older stones are unfortunately toppled, moss encrusted or leaning and the flags are in tough shape. Many of the vintage metal gates are also broken and need some attention too. Good to hear that our Veterans will get new flags. Our family will definitely spend some time volunteering this summer helping out. Whether it's Chatham Boy Scout Troop 0071; the Garden Club; or just some citizens; there's some good volunteer work that could be done. To this end, we called the Chatham Cemetery Resources Office (508-945-5117) and left a message with Ms. Shippelhute. If anyone has a better contact, please let us know. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 09:29:01
Flags placed by the town or VFW or American Legion are not your property. If you have placed a flag yourself you can do with it as you wish. As to branches - this is still the first of Spring.Clean up your own plot if need be- one less thing for maintenance to do. There are only a handful of Boy/Girl Scouts these days- not something they can fit into their schedule. There is still a protocol. So likely DPW will place and remove flags. It all takes time. Fill out a volunteer form instead of complaining here where a few people may see it and pat you on the back.Peace.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 08:56:50
Agreed Richard. I think there's a miscommunication somewhere. I have also heard the Cemetery Administrator has reached out to the Garden Club to see if they will volunteer to help with flags. Not sure why, as the Boy Scouts were willing to take this on. I was at Seaside today and my impression of the "cleanup" is not what Cynthia reported. Branches everywhere along with Christmas decorations still there. I did not see any tattered flags though. Doesn't appear as though the Cemetery Commission has their act together yet.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/20/2022 - 20:25:52
Excuse me, but if I placed a flag, in a custom bronze (not aluminum) grave marker that I designed for Surfmen of the Life Saving Service, there is no one capable of stopping me from maintaining that Grave Marker. Too old to go to jail, but not ready to give up speaking for what is right concerning flags at graves.
I do think that any group that takes it on to place flags on veterans graves, do have a responsibility to remove them at some point. Maybe a month or two after.
20 Year US Navy Veteran, Grandson of a Surfman

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/20/2022 - 17:58:05
Cemeteries are slowly being cleaned up. I learned yesterday that because of flag protocol and covid this is a slow process. Seaside is complete and next is South Chatham. To volunteer you have to fill out a form. No flag removal on your own.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/19/2022 - 08:01:31
All: We're headed up this week to Chatham to meet with the Rick Roy Construction team (who by the way are doing an incredible job on our renovation). These guys are the best. If anyone is interested in meeting up for a quick lunch on Saturday, March 19, Larry's PX, high noon, let us know. Might be fun to get together over a burger and talk local politics and Chatham history a bit. Hope that all goes well.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Wed 03/16/2022 - 09:59:51
I will also add that the dorms were all remodeled in the 80's. So they were not old and falling down. McMullen's had the sense to know they needed a lot of employees and needed to provide housing. They spent a lot of money remodeling those dorms so they were a nice place to stay.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 21:22:58
CBI has no right to complain. They had lot's of dorm space. They chose to build a spa instead of keeping the dorms. They also had dorms across from the Oyster.

CBI used to recruit college kids to work and give them housing and meals.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 21:18:53
Here's the listing for High Scatteree if you enjoy real-estate p*rn.

https://bit.ly/high-scatteree

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 07:56:49
All: I understand that the home High Scatteree in North Chatham is for sale for around $18M. That's a pretty iconic home. Hopefully it'll get a good new steward. Now to the topic of J1 kids. Having had a bunch of summer jobs on the Cape as a kid, getting the job was never the hard part. Rather it was always finding a place to live. I spent 2 summers working as a Caddy at the Hyannisport CC. They actually brought in 5 pale green barrack buildings (from Otis AFB) for us to live in. They were really soggy old places, but we had fun. In today's Chatham both U.S. and J1 kids are up a creek unless they have friends or an employer to house them. Even the CCBL Anglers kids have a super hard time. Hate to see it as it's a first class town for kids to enjoy over the summer.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 00:12:19
Is anyone else concerned about the Facebook posts from J-1 students looking for summer housing? They are all working at Chatham Bars Inn. It is a shame so many large Chatham second homes are mostly empty or high end rentals these kids can't afford.Same problem as the local working families, but I think that CBI has some responsibility to provide housing.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 20:01:56
Here we have folks from foreign countries that actually want to work unlike kids here
but have no place to live. Just awful. CBI Is not what it used to be. In the past they'd go all out to help kids find accommodations . Just awful.

Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 19:43:27
Speaking of HS kids here: Watch the stop light at 3 PM at Nauset Road and Route 6, where the high school kids drive out heading to their homes, after classes are over, leaving Nauset Regional High School heading to Brewster, Eastham, Or Orleans. Oh wait, they couldn't possibly take the bus. They have cars way better than my 2001 Toyota 4 Runner. With low mileage and a snow plow attachment.

There might have been 3-4 student owned cars parked across from Route 28 at the Main Street School in Chatham back in 1957. John Pratt had one of them. Isn't Eldredge and Lumpkin there now?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 19:30:01
CBI had housing till they took the dorms down!!
Chick <Cc junk 466@g mail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 19:06:34
Here we have folks from foreign countries that actually want to work unlike kids here
but have no place to live. Just awful. CBI Is not what it used to be. In the past they'd go all out to help kids find accommodations . Just awful.

Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 18:00:53
When I was a caddy at CBI in the late 40's, early 50's, there were several buildings near the caddy shack that I was told were dorms for the Summer help. Never thought to validate that, but it seemed reasonable to me. At a hotel room rate of $1200 a night (true last Summer, 2021), they could probably finance the construction of a dorm or two now.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 17:32:39
Is anyone else concerned about the Facebook posts from J-1 students looking for summer housing? They are all working at Chatham Bars Inn. It is a shame so many large Chatham second homes are mostly empty or high end rentals these kids can't afford.Same problem as the local working families, but I think that CBI has some responsibility to provide housing.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 08:30:15
I heartily echo Lisa's comments! For years I have tended to my family's plot in Seaside Cemetery. I finally planted some day lilies which are lovely behind the white marble stone, with minimal care, but I always water and dead head any geraniums I see that have been abandoned! Crayton.....I do yours and the Hetherington's.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 03/13/2022 - 19:22:44
You're very welcome Lisa!! Absolutely no excuse for the neglect and no one doing their jobs. I was so dismayed during the meeting listening to all their excuses as to why nothing had been done. Hopefully more folks will pay attention and things will get better now that there's an audience.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/13/2022 - 15:15:58
Thank you JudyP for being the squeaky wheel to get the cemeteries cared for. For Don's burial last June, my daughter Alison, our good Rob Bergh and I cleaned up the Tuttle plot by mowing, edging the perimeter and the stones, removing lichens from the marble,and creating a distinct geranium plot so they wouldn't be weed whacked. I have been taking care of the plot since my father died in 1965 and will continue until I am in it, but I welcome some help from the town.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 03/12/2022 - 20:55:00
Looking for someone to appraise a comic book collection in excellent condition?
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/12/2022 - 05:57:49
Thanks Wayne.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/11/2022 - 17:43:41
Carol, I sent directions to Otis Howes' grave to your email.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/11/2022 - 14:38:15
Richard- Could you please send me the location of Carl's grandfather's grave who was a surfman?
Carol Olson <carololson47@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/11/2022 - 11:20:12
It's always cool when folks from within the CHAT-M-Room help each other out. There have been at least a dozen times we've been helped out and it's been greatly appreciated. Josie, good luck with your comic book collection. As a kid growing up summers in Chatham, we spent countless hours reading comic books (e.g., Sargent Rock, Archie, Batman, Spiderman, etc.) at the beach or sitting under a tree somewhere. The old ones are very cool and can be worth a lot in some cases.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 03/10/2022 - 07:47:02
Happy to look at comics! I'm a longtime collector. Email me at twood17@gmail.com. Send photos if you have them.
Tim Wood <twood17@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/08/2022 - 12:33:13
Looking for someone to appraise a comic book collection in excellent condition?
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/08/2022 - 06:12:53
34 year old trooper Bucci was parked on the side of the road late last Thurs. night when her patrol car was rammed by a tank truck. This occurred in Stoneham on RT 93. A couple of bystanders pulled her out, she was taken to Mass General, but I do not think she really had a chance. All this in an effort to assist a stranded driver!!
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 20:48:51
Okay, thank you Nancy. Did not think in that direction.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 18:07:18
Ryder Bros., I believe the flags are at half-mast to honor the state trooper who died while on duty.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 17:52:56
Bob, some flags in Eastham are at the same height. No clue as to whom we are honoring.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 17:20:27
How do I find the reason for flags at half-mast today, 3/7/2022, in Chatham?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 16:45:40
I thought it was interesting to note that the CDC's data on vac, double vac and booster showed that even if you had all three, one could still get covid and this information came from Barnstable County.

Of course is now out that many who are using surgical fiber masks should understand that these makes cannot even trap smoke particles to any great extent, let alone virus particles that are 10 times smaller.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 16:08:18
U.S. Life Saving Stations numbered about 260 throughout the U.S. before 1915. This included stations on the Great Lakes, the Gulf and Pacific Coasts. Most were in NJ and Long Island. There were two floating stations - one at City Point in Dorchester Bay and one in Louisville, KY. Yes, Louisville - at the Falls of the Ohio River.
There were only two towns that I know of that had 4 stations, they being Nantucket and Chatham.
The original quote was from Keeper Etheridge of the Hatteras Life Saving Station, when his men were grumbling about launching a surfboat: "The Blue Book says we have to go out: it doesn't say a damned thing about coming back".

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/06/2022 - 16:25:23
Hezekiah Doane was in charge of the Chatham Life Saving Station before he became the first and only Keeper of the Old Harbor Life Saving Station when it was established in 1898. He served there until 1915, when it became a Coast Guard Station - Station #42. He was 72 then, when he went to running his powered fishing craft. He was an early converter to being gasoline engine powered vs rowing or sailing.
My grandfather, Richard E. Ryder , served under him as a Surfman for ten years.
It will be nice to get the remaining descendants of Chatham Surfmen together. There being 4 USLSS Stations in the Town of Chatham at the time, that might include a big bunch of people.
Tim Wood, take note.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/05/2022 - 17:14:09
Thanks to Judy P we have opened up an issue that has been overlooked for far too long. It is a disgrace to all Chatham lovers (new and native) to ignore Cemetery records and maintenance. Shame on the Select Board and the Commissioners! I will be in touch with Dee and show her my deed to our plot in Seaside Cemetery. It has location and dimension data and as a retired Librarian, if I could help build the database I would be happy to volunteer. I wonder how many other women, particularly those who have different names, plan to be buried in the "family plot" but have no deeds or documentation.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/05/2022 - 09:09:42
My Grandfather " Hezekiah Doane " was the first keeper of the Old Harbor Station,
1893-1898.

Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 23:29:36
wow!! Richard...that is VERY generous. How kind!!
JimP
USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 19:53:41
Jill, Barbara and Judy: send me an email with a UPS shipping address and I will provide you a bronze USLSS Grave marker for your Surfmen.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 17:47:30
Thanks to Judy P we have opened up an issue that has been overlooked for far too long. It is a disgrace to all Chatham lovers (new and native) to ignore Cemetery records and maintenance. Shame on the Select Board and the Commissioners! I will be in touch with Dee and show her my deed to our plot in Seaside Cemetery. It has location and dimension data and as a retired Librarian, if I could help build the database I would be happy to volunteer. I wonder how many other women, particularly those who have different names, plan to be buried in the "family plot" but have no deeds or documentation.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 15:38:50
My grandfather, Francis Leavitt James, transferred here from Gay Head (now Aquinnah), Martha's Vineyard, as a member of the USLSS in 1910. He was later joined by some of his other family members, one of whom was Samuel Haskins.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 12:18:14
My grandfather, Ernest S. Eldredge, was also a member of the Life Saving Service and is buried in Union Cemetery. Another of his grandchildren, Rebecca Locklear, has written a book "Exploring the U.S Life-Saving Service 1878-1915. It is full of information and activities because it was written for home schooling.
Worth checking out.

Barbara <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 11:02:46
Richard - my great grandfather Capt George Harding was a surfman as well. He was on the Nantucket Lightship for a while. Ned, thanks for your comments. There are a lot of volunteer opportunities available if you watched the meeting. Hopefully the new folks they hire will not disappoint. They are in desperate need of help with the older records being digitized. Unfortunately the individual that did this work previously kept a lot of this stuff in his head. This was one of my complaints that went unanswered - because there is no paper trail of responsibilities as to who is responsible for what.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 03/03/2022 - 19:38:15
I would like to add an appropriate grave marker to any grave in Chatham that has to do with a former Life Saver in the US Life Saving Service. There were 4 such stations in Chatham.
USLSS was a precursor of the Coast Guard. Carl Olson (chowder man) gave me the burial location of his grandfather, who was a Surfman. His grave is so marked, as is my Grandfather. There must be others who on this Room are descendants of Surfmen .Or Keepers of the Stations. Like Joe Kelley, Hezekiah Doane, etc.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/03/2022 - 17:47:25
Judy: Many thanks for bringing this important topic up. I've always appreciated the Chatham cemeteries from a historical perspective. You can learn a lot from the stones. So sorry to hear that are having some hard times. Happy to help you organize a couple of clean up days this spring or early summer. We've done it here in Texas with our Scout Troop a few times. Amazing what a few hours will do. Let me know.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 03/03/2022 - 15:58:15
My grandfather Richard and grandmother Rebecca are buried in a Chatham cemetery. I have permission to have my cremains be buried alongside them. Not lookinmg forward to that. I have expectations that their perpetusal care lot would, at the least, have the grass cut occasinally.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/02/2022 - 19:19:30
Cynthia - thank you for your comments. Perpetual care is included with our property taxes and does, as you suggest, take care of cutting the grass. If anyone watched the meeting last night, it was apparent there has been a problem for years with the placement of flags on Veteran's graves and exactly who is resposible for doing it. The VFW no longer does it nor does the American Legion. The Commission was tasked last night to look into this. The Boy Scouts at one point in time have expressed an interest and it will be followed up on. You are 100% correct that folks are responsible for removing their holiday decorations, etc - but as time has proven, this is not being done. There are many people who are here seasonally that leave shortly after holidays, etc, and leave the decorations there. Hopefully last night's session brought light into the many problems there are with the cemeteries.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 03/02/2022 - 12:50:57
For anyone concerned about the cemeteries in town or anywhere. Perpetual care means different things to many. It is basically a fee paid for general maintenance of the cemetery: mowing, safety,secure and clean. It does not mean a manicured lawn like the military cemeteries. It does not mean placing flags and removing flags or seasonal decorations. Old times it was a monthly fee assessed for a set period of time. : a year, 10 years whatever. If you want a flag- contact VFW or American Legion. If you decorate- it is YOUR responsibility to remove that decoration after a month or so. Pretty sure none of the dead people care.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/02/2022 - 11:16:36
I think a few of you may be aware that I am extremely concerned about the conditions of our cemeteries - which our taxes pay for "in perpetuity". I asked in November for an agenda items for the Select Board to talk with the Cemetery Commissioners as to what they perceivetheir roles and responsibilities to include. Tonight was the meeting - four months later. There was nothing but excuses from the Cemetery Commissioners as to why they had not been able to do their job. What is their job? Once again - nothing but excuses as to how they have been constrained doing their job by COVID and lack of an admin assistant. The cemeteries last year were a disgrace. On Memorial Day there were Christmas decorations strewen all over various cemeteries. No oversight whatsoever. I hope others start to pay attention to this. It is unacceptable to pay the Cemetery Commissioners a fee when they can't even come up with a list as to what they perceive their roles and responsibilties to be. They couldn't even make a decision tonight regarding the placement of flags on Veterans graves. They want volunteers - but couldn't decide how to proceed with actually getting the volunteers. The only thing that is clear is that there are now three additional town employees that will cut the grass. That was it, along with the administrative individual who left - has come back. It seems to be everyone has thrown their responsibilities over to her. It sounded like the recent storm where everyone patted everyone else on the back - yet nothing was accomplished. Please keep your eyes on this and email me if you don't want to get involved. This is something I take seriously and it is not acceptable to continue in this fashion with everyone coming up with excuses as to why they can't do their job.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/01/2022 - 18:57:54
Anyone interested in acquiring the Coast Guard Motor Lifeboat CG36501? She is sitting in a former CG boathouse in Hull, MA. I think it would be available for free to a good home. Estimated restoration cost is $75,000.
What might First Light Boatworks think about this? Wouldn't it be a great addition to the CBI Fleet? It was used as a prop in the movie "The Finest Hours".
Standing by to give guidance.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/01/2022 - 18:03:52
I play it John
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/28/2022 - 20:54:13
We play Wordle John!
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
W Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/28/2022 - 09:04:19
I play Wordle and Wordle archives ( I started late) and Worldle every day.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/28/2022 - 08:44:59
I have no clue about Wordle. Pat and I just do the CCTimes crossword daily, if it gets delivered. Last I knew, brother Bob does the NY Times crossword, in ink.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/27/2022 - 16:38:47
I wonder how many of you are playing Wordle everyday?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/27/2022 - 13:52:50
Our heartfelt condolences to the entire Meservey family. By any measure, Dan Merservey was a very cool dude. A big loss to Chatham.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Mon 02/21/2022 - 20:37:36
Good to see Barry Fulcher, Nancy Ryder Petrus, Bob Ryder and John Ryder show up for the Friday Event 70 of the Pendleton rescue. They were there 70 years ago!!!!
I am pleased to say I have been involved with the operation and preservation of the CG36500 for close to 20 years. I was held home back then because I had stayed home sick from school. Mother Alice was a tough taskmaster.
.The Ryder memories (John, Nancy and Bob) have been recorded. Barry, it is not too late for you to do your thing. You too were there.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/20/2022 - 18:01:17
To lose a Meservey is to lose part of the Chatham community.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/19/2022 - 17:24:13
Way too tough to take. I see Danny and I on a trip to his beloved Middleboro, circa 1958 or so, in a souped-up car that relieved us of yet another day at Chatham High School. Wonderful friend.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/18/2022 - 21:13:59
Posted just a bit ago on Facebook was a notification by the Meservey family that today Dan Sr. (paraphrased) has lost his final race and departed.
He was a valuable contributor to this site over the years and will be greatly missed by many in town, including myself.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 02/17/2022 - 21:48:10
It has not been publicized due to Covid and other concerns, but if you happen to be driving by the Chatham Fish Pier shortly after 1700 (5PM) tomorrow Friday the 18th, you will see a bunch of people assembled to recognize the 70th anniversary of the return of the CG36500 with 32 Pendleton survivors. Weather permitting, around 1720 or so there will be a CG helo overhead, shining an intense light down nearby for 90 seconds. Two seconds for all 45 who have passed on, and who will have a bell rung twice for them at the ceremony.
The CG36500 is presently tied up next to the 45 foot Coast Guard rescue boat, a boat I personally feel is surf capable, based on an evaluation done on the West Coast, even though it has not been officially rated as such. Getting it rated surf capable would resolve a lot of problems for the Town of Chatham and the US Coast Guard.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/17/2022 - 17:18:34
Ned: Here is a quote about Good Walter and Wicked Walter from a document at the Chatham Historical Society. https://chathamhistoricalsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/Wicked-Walter-Eldredge-Interview.pdf

Uncle Andrew Harding, that owned the store on Main Street years ago -- Good
Walter, (myself), and Wicked Walter used to by paints and oils and hooks and line, and when it came to the end of the month I used to get Good Walter's bill and he got mine. His name was Walter W. and mine was Walter M. -- looked so much alike, the W and the M, we got them all mixed up, so I told Uncle Andrew -- I said we had that all the time and couldn't he straighten it out and he said, "I think I can. I think I'll call the other Walter "Good Walter" because he goes to church, and you don't go to church, so I'll call you "Wicked Walter."

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Thu 02/17/2022 - 12:36:48
Yes, Ryder and Rider were occasionally interchangeable. Makes genealogy challenging.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 19:05:13
The English language only became standardized in the last few centuries; therefore, spelling variations are common among early Anglo-Saxon names. As the form of the English language changed, even the spelling of literate people's names evolved. Eldredge has been recorded under many different variations, including Elrich, Elritch, Eldrich, Eldrick, Eldred, Eldrid, Eldridg, Eldredge, Eldridge and many more.

The ancient Anglo-Saxon surname Eldredge came from the Old English name Aelfric, which literally means "elf-ruler" or Aeoelric which means "noble ruler." Both survived the Conquest, by which time the first element of the name had been reduced to "Al" or "El." Aeflric, Aefric, Alfric, Aluric [1] was listed in the Domesday Book of 1086 in one form or the other. [2]

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 18:31:10
According to Chatham historian Dana Eldridge, the "i" Eldridges were horse thieves, the "e" Eldredges would steal anything. Unfortunately, Dana and so many other conveyors of local lore has passed on. RIP Dana, as well as Noel Beyle.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 17:56:29
I mean "Eldredge." Sorry for the typo Eldredge family.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 09:34:02
All: Does anyone know how "Wicked" Walter Eldridge got his name and where in Chatham he was born?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 09:29:30
Marie, your Dad named his Novi fishing boat after you and your brother Carl. The Carl and Marie. It made sense on the radio that I listened to back in the 50's. The same radio I heard the radio traffic between Chatham CG Station and the CG36500, aka as NFDS piloted by Bernie Webber 70 years ago this week.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/15/2022 - 18:46:31
Sad news. For those of you who knew my brother Carl D'Entremont (Chatham class of "58"),he passed away on Saturday, February 12th from CHF..So glad he had a chance to see Chatham again last October
Mariefulcher <Mariefulcher@comcast.net>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 02/15/2022 - 16:05:22
Richard: As you already likely know, the Atwood Museum lecture series is featuring the author, Casey Sherman, of "Finest Hours" fame on Tuesday evening at 5:00 p.m. EST. Hard to believe that the 70th anniversary of the wreck of the Pendleton is this year. It must seem like yesterday to a few
of the folks in Chatham. Speaking of the Atwood Museum; I checked out their online collection last week. It's incredible! The museum is one of the best deals in town. Between the thousands of maps, photographs and documents, it's a real treasure trove for fans of the town and the lower Cape.

Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Sun 02/13/2022 - 16:21:13
Nancy - Thank you for making folks aware of this. There is also a great letter to the editor in today's Chronicle about this as well. This developer has gotten away with far too much in Chatham and needs to be held accountable for his errors. I will write the letter now and I hope others do as well. No need to use Chapter 90 funds for this.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/09/2022 - 15:38:05
I urge taxpayers in Chatham to write to our select board members concerning the use of Chapter 90 funds to remediate a drainage easement that was removed and a drainage system that was damaged by a new build at 140 Joshua Jethro Road.It is an improper use of funds that are designated for road improvements.The town needs to seek legal recourse for damages done to town property, instead of using $300,000 to bail out a builder and landowner that knew they were responsible for maintaining this easement and went ahead and destroyed it. This is irresponsible.Please watch the Jan. 25th select board meeting where this was discussed and then take a look at the property and drainage easement that is no longer there.
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/09/2022 - 10:19:40
I would like to urge taxpayers in Chatham to write to our select board members concerning the drainage issues in Riverbay on Joshua Jethro Rd.They want us to use Chapter 90 funds for road improvements where a drainage easement was completely removed and a drain system was damaged by the grading done on a property for a new build.This easement worked for almost 50 years without any problems and homes surrounding it are now flooding or having drainage issues.It does not need a $300,000 plus new system, it needs to be redug and the easement needs to be put back where it was.There are many other actual road repairs that this money should be used for.The nuisance this build has created with Stormwater run-off was completely avoidable and the town should be pursuing legal damages to pay for it instead.Please watch the Jan 25th board of selectmen meeting to find out what is going on here.
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/09/2022 - 10:06:29
Thank you J.D.Cauble on your input on the emergency shelters and thank you for your service.
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 16:47:08
I have a question. Because the Community Center was not opened to help the people of Chatham use it and stay warm, does that mean it was still being heated with not one person using it?
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 16:39:11
I agree with both of you. It is past time for her to leave. It's too bad our once beautiful town has been taken over by developers and those in Town government promting their agendas. It's past time for us to take back our town with the upcoming elections in May.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 15:04:18
Judy, good luck with the Selectmen. Cory and Dean are the only two that truly give a damn, the other three are firmly in bed with the Town Manager.
Peter W Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 14:58:11
Judy , I find it surprising you expected anything different . The town manager has pretty much dropped the ball on about every town project . For you to expect anything different amuses me . Maybe at that salary your expecting to much.
Mallowes
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 14:57:32
Shareen, CERT is a regional program. So many of us know what a horrifying experience that was, but now you seem to want to place the problem on the lack of volunteers rather than mismanagement of town's resources. Your posts are more taunting than inspiring. We would appreciate if you as a Select Board member were part of the solution -- which is NOT promoting CERT volunteers to the County. Perhaps you will take the lead in promoting better management than we've gotten with citizens' health and safety at the forefront. Relying on resident volunteers to keep the Community Center open is not the answer, nor is it acceptable. Staff did their best under the constraints of their job. Now it is time for the Select Board to advise the Town Manager she personally fell short by resisting and refusing to provide the Community Center overnight to the people who paid for it and continue to maintain it. Town Government, specifically, our Town Manager is first and foremost responsible for Public Safety -- not the public. It was her job to provide residents a safe haven in life threatening conditions -- which this past storm was. This did not happen. We were on our own. We expected far more and anything less is just passing the buck to us, who pay her salary of over $200K per year.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 13:51:10
Anyone interested in being a citizen emergency volunteer here is the link : https://boch-cert.com/
Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 05:25:10
All: This is an interesting topic. I just called a Cape business about buying a generator. They said they can get me one mid-July. Going forward, will all power lines be buried on the lower Cape? We have lived in 4 different States and 2 other countries, it seems Massachusetts is one of the last hold-outs on above ground power lines. BTW, Chatham is by far the most beautiful of all the places we have lived. Like Dan, I am a tree guy and we try to plant 1-2 indigenous hardwoods a year in Chatham. The pictures of the Cape at the turn of the century are amazing to see. Not a tree in sight (seems everyone in town had a clear and unobstructed water view). However, like Richard we are careful about pruning the yard each year. Rob Morrison (local Tree Expert) is a great guy to use in the fall to get any bad limbs away from power lines well before they become an issue. Hope that you are all well. The weather here in Texas has been chilly, yet, beautiful. Can't wait to get back to the Cape. I find myself each evening carefully reviewing Burpee garden seed catalogs; fishing & boating supply sites; and tracking weather and fishing forecasts. Hopefully it will not be much longer before we can spend much more time up on the Cape. You are all fortunate.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Mon 02/07/2022 - 10:34:05
It's my understanding that when EverSource was finally able to restore 5800 homes late Sunday night it was because they located a single source for most of the outage-an underground trunk line that was damaged. I believe it was shared with Harwich. That's why we didn't see many downed trees. It was underground infrastructure.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 20:36:18
Dan Young: as much as you are enamored with trees on Cape Cod, those trees are a major problem if they are within striking distance to power poles and wires. No matter which side of the road they are on. If lines are to be buried, even then some of those trees would have to be removed.
At one point, around 1895 or so, a telephone line was finally established between Monomoy Life Saving Station in Chatham and the Race Point Life Saving Station in Provincetown. Thirteen stations were ultimately connected. No trees EVER were a hindrance. Even until the bare copper lines were removed and salvaged after WWII.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 19:16:35
Shareen -Thanks for the link and identifying a way we can help our community. I submitted my application to CERT.

John - thank you very much for the history. What amazing support the town once provided! (even pets - happy to see that).

I do not know the reasons why emergency management was regionalized. Regionalization is an efficient and effective concept to support residents for certain services (i.e. waste water management). However, support that requires personal interaction in an emergency does not provide the appropriate level of services. In a storm, people cannot and should not be driving to distant locations (even Harwich.)

Liz McC <emccarte@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 17:30:45
Shareen - thank you for posting the link. We can never go through another storm like this past one and leave the elderly alone. I have submitted my application.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 09:00:29
It is a very good thing that the Cape and Chatham have trees. The Cape was treeless many years ago due to clear cutting. The wood being used for ship building, fuel and construction.

Tree planting and nature have "reforested" this area. This is beneficial to all in many ways.

Is there a tree maintenance plan and if so, how is it enacted? Should this be reviewed prior to doing any clear cutting?

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 07:33:17
John - Thank you for your historical perspective / information. This is a great for any Emergency Preparedness revisions. A lot of work ahead of us .....
dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 07:12:06
Anyone interested in being a citizen emergency volunteer here is the link : https://boch-cert.com/
Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 06:40:05
By the way, Brother John Ryder, who was at the return of the CG36500 nearly 70 years ago at the Fish pier does not recall any loss of electric power in our neighborhood that day.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 17:34:12
It seems there are at least two scenarios that would require a Town of Chatham shelter for a limited number of folks. One, a hurricane where hypothermia is not a concern. And two, a winter situation where folks don't have electricity to power their normal heating system.
As long as the tress are growing ever taller, there will be power lines taken down by falling trees. Seems prudent that ANY tree that could fall on power lines should be harvested in a planned manner, not waiting for crews to come from Syracuse, NY or wherever on an emergency basis to deal with such matters.
In my Dad's time, the trees on the Cape were not that tall and didn't pose a threat to the rudimentary power lines. As a kid, I don't remember many times when the power went out on Old Harbor Road. Our kerosene lamps were at the "Camp" on North Beach.
Now, his kids are all in their 80's, and guess what, the trees have grown. And they are a continual problem. Summer storms as well as well as winter ones.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 16:56:48
I'm with Ned, we can certainly assist in putting together a crisis action plan to assist those in need.

If you rely on government to solve your problems you will be sorely disappointed: every. single. time.

We've got tremendous resources within the Town between the tremendously talented retired folks and those still actively engaged in trying to eke out a life up there. We can certainly put tougher citizen resources to implement a crisis action plan. I retired from 36 years in the military with considerable rank and am familiar with crisis action planning, as are many others that read this forum. We can do better.

If there is any interest in helping, we can form a volunteer committee to explore the realm of the possible in identifying the Town's most vulnerable; adopting decision points which trigger particular action plans; and initiate phone trees and contingency plans to assist those most in need. We have a LOT of unused talent and capacity within the community, let's see if any want to assist.

We'll need a community interface with information requirements as to ID'ing those most in need, decide -in each particular situation - what their "proof of life" and window of self-sustainment may be, and formulate primary and alternate courses of action to assist them. We can rely heavily upon volunteers for manning warming stations, transportation, information needs, and basic medical and nutrition requirements.

There won't be a requirement to outsource a tremendously expensive "study" as to feasibility, nor further stress the limited fiscal availability in times of stress.

It's easy to complain about things not going your way. You want to fix it? Anyone interested...???

JimP
USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 16:21:12
I am so glad tragedy was avoided during this past blizzard. It was just damn lucky, as the Town of Chatham didn't really provide any needed assistance to the elderly, especially with pets who were forced to stay Iin their homes. I am a registered voter and a taxpayer most of my life as well as my parents. But I live alone now and would not know how to survive under those conditions. My neighbors are mostly second home owners with generators purring away, while they are away. Who would check on me and my cat? The elementary school is a brilliant solution. Work on this concept instead of spending an hour plus patting each other on the back. I watch all the meetings live or on demand because I am very concerned about the Town, it's lack of leadership and it's imminent demise.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA, USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 09:05:38
I am still trying to watch the "review" of the recent storm on the TOC website. Is there such a thing?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 08:30:35
Thank you John, I remember when they used to open the schools for shelter. I worked for the DPW 37 plus years myself when we had Hurricane Bob and the Halloween storm of 91 plus other storms thru the years. The schools would be open to shelter people for a meal or rest and warmth. As I said in my earlier post meals could be provided by the schools and replaced after the storm or donated to the food pantry.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 07:33:01
Richard et.al.: Right on. We need to take better care of our most important group of citizens (our seniors). Seems to me that we can certainly develop prudent plans for "warming centers" on Cape Cod and particularly the lower Cape. They are well established here in Montgomery County Texas. I'd be happy to help with working this issue further with any interested parties. It's an important issue for our community. Sorry if I sound preachy. Also, writing this without my readers on. Hope that you are all well.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 21:13:19
John Cauble was always a highly respected member of the Chatham Police Department.. It seems to me the only thing lacking for a Chatham Town building to become a Chatham Shelter is a bunch of cots, for aged folks to be able to lie down in a warm place for a few hours. Hypothermia is a silent killer.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 16:56:43
I am so glad tragedy was avoided during this past blizzard. It was just damn lucky, as the Town of Chatham didn't really provide any needed assistance to the elderly, especially with pets who were forced to stay Iin their homes. I am a registered voter and a taxpayer most of my life as well as my parents. But I live alone now and would not know how to survive under those conditions. My neighbors are mostly second home owners with generators purring away, while they are away. Who would check on me and my cat? The elementary school is a brilliant solution. Work on this concept instead of spending an hour plus patting each other on the back. I watch all the meetings live or on demand because I am very concerned about the Town, it's lack of leadership and it's imminent demise.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA, USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 16:06:03
Hey JudyP
Some of my tax dollars indirectly support Chatham, so yea I pay attention to what's going on

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 15:38:24
Alan - as someone that is not from Chatham you certainly seem to have a lot to say at times. I will come to Elaine's defense here and let all of you know that she has ALWAYS opened her house to others. There was no need for your comment or the "other" Liz. Hiding behind a cloak of anonymity doesn't bode well for many of us. If folks took the time to post here - they should identify themselves. In the meantime, let's stop the snipping and work together to insist Ms. Goldsmith open up a shelter for folks so this nonsense with her horrible management does not occur again. Until folks starting making their concerns public and identifying themselves nothing will change.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 14:02:22
Added info: Pet Sheltering at the local shelter was only available at the larger shelter at 425 Crowell Rd school location.
J.D. Cauble <jdc107@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 12:12:27
As some of you know, I worked on the police department for 37 years. During that time, I was directly involved with the local Chatham Emergency Shelter operation and later with the Barnstable County Regional Shelter System. There are many pros and cons to having a local shelter vs regional shelter or both. All the factors should be considered. The 24/7 staffing is a major consideration. The Town of Chatham had its own fully operational emergency shelter up until 2009. After 2009, Chatham (and many other towns) switched from having a local shelter to the Barnstable County Regional Shelter System (see BCREPC.com website). Chatham had two interchangeable shelter locations. A large main shelter at 425 Crowell Rd (then Chatham Jr/Sr High School, now MRSD Middle School). The second smaller shelter at 147 Depot Rd. (Chatham Elementary). Both locations had (still have) generators, kitchens, showers and gym area for sleeping on cots. The cots, blankets and supplies were stored at the old Police Station and later stored in an Emergency Management trailer. When activated, the emergency management director and police/fire department personnel managed the local shelter. The Red Cross supplied 2-3 volunteers and volunteer town employees assisted. An employee from the school kitchen staff usually prepared the food when needed. In my opinion, the town needs a local shelter for whenever there is local emergency or when the regional shelter in Harwich is not open.
J.D. Cauble <jdc107@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 12:06:07
Elaine: The bureaucratic absolutism in Dec. 21 meeting you faced when you spoke out was uncalled for. Whether before the storm or after, who knows, yes it can clearly be seen as a display of ineptness. You are a very vigilant gal when it comes to the gaps between promise and performance within local govt.

Have you enjoyed a fair amount of prosperity in your life? Others may have not, so why the scornful tone towards Liz? Of the seven cardinal virtues named by Pope Gregory I in the sixth century only 3 were Christian, Faith, Hope and Charity. Why don't you employ these in your thinking? Did it ever occur to you that Liz may have had a tough 30 hours or more?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 11:54:26
I am identifying myself below to distinguish myself from the other "Liz" in the CHAT-M-Room.
It has been acknowledged by the town and the Council on Aging that we need to support our seniors. The most important thing we can do is to keep them safe. What better way to show we care for our seniors than to address this need that surfaced in the recent storm? Thank you, Judy and Elaine, for discussing this in the Select Board meeting.
We bear responsibility for ensuring we and our neighbors are safe. However, as we age things get confusing and we may need help in dire circumstances. My friend's older parents were sitting in their 50 degree home, overwhelmed with the situation, no coats on. Fortunately she was able to check on them and help.
With our older population we need to go beyond traditional support.
We also do need to address the pet concern that was raised in the Select meeting. Seniors with pets (me included) will not leave their homes unless they know their pets remain safe. A reality that needs to be considered.
Bob Fishback has a great suggestion for the elementary school. Let's work on this and I am happy to volunteer for planning and implementation.

Liz McC

Liz McC <emccarte@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 11:28:21
Jared YES Kelley drove around the shore in a big ole Chevy Caprice. He was a hell of a shell fisherman, nothing stopped him. His Dad, Robert Gleason was a Chatham teacher as well.
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 06:45:33
Hey Liz. How about a last name? I use mine. Not very brave of you. Personal attacks are not productive among adults.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 20:35:59
Where, Judy? I want to see whose eyes roll. And why.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 19:24:12
Elaine: Did you lose power? It was my understanding that you had a whole house generator for your 8000sqft of living space. Maybe during the next power outage you should open your doors to all the people you, supposedly, care about. What do you say?
Liz
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 19:23:01
Thank you Judy. I will find a way to view it. And thank you Elaine, in general!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 18:27:15
The issue at this point isn't the location. It's the fact the Town Manager has refused to staff a town building overnight. Certainly the Elementary School would be a very viable location. It was used years ago for that purpose. It may be too close to the CFD and EOC creating traffic in a congested area with emergency vehicles trying to get in and out. That would be their call. Right now it's part of the school district which could be a hurdle to get anything done quickly. We need a commitment from the Town before the next storm that a town building- CC or CES- will be open overnight.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 17:59:08
Sorry to hear about Kelly Gleason passing. I didn't know him as well as I knew Bobby, but both their wives, Jan and Sharon worked in the schools and I knew them both. Did Kelly used to drive around the shore in a Chevy Caprice, or am I thinking of someone else?
Jared Fulcher
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 17:49:51
I just checked to see if last night's meeting was online - it's available to watch.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 15:29:15
That is a great idea to use the school!!! The meeting from last night should be available on demand by now. Nothing was settled. Everyone spent a lot of time thanking everyone for their help and patting each other on the back. The problem was addressed briefly by speakers but it was difficult not to see certain members of Town roll their eyes at the suggestion to keep the Community Center open. With taxpayers now having to pay for the Elementary School - there is no better option than to use that building. Great suggestion - and one that will be hard to ignore.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 15:14:27
Bob Fishback had a point using the school. When I worked for DPW in hurricane Bob and the Halloween storm of 91 we used to be able to to the Crowell Rd school for meals and also sometimes the Depot st school too. The town could staff one or other to do this and buy food for a hot meal and if not needed donate the food to the food pantry.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 13:47:39
Good points Bob F. I would accept almost any place that was warm and open through the night. Sixteen miles to shelter was NOT a reasonable option. I gave up getting cold when I sold my last boat. Regarding last evening's review, we had a dinner plan that prevented us from seeing it. Was it recorded? If so, when might it appear on channel 18?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 12:49:41
Elaine, Cousins Bob & Richard, sister Susie and my fellow slowly thawing Chatham taxpayers: Having followed the "Warming Center" thread in the Chat-M-Room and watched the SB debrief last night, I think we are focusing on the wrong building. MRSD would like us to resume responsibility for Chatham Elementary School, so let's do so and designate it as the town's emergency shelter/warming center. There is adequate parking outside and single-story space inside. It has a decent sized gym suitable for setting up cots if needed. It has a full kitchen and dining area, bathrooms, etc. There's no need for an elevator with its risk of stranding folks upstairs or down. It is adjacent to the Fire Station and its EMTs if they are needed. And it is a short walk/ride to the Community Center if overflow/shared services are warranted. It would need a generator, I believe(?). And IMHO emergency shelter is more important than COA recreational facilities.
Bob Fishback <robertef45@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 12:08:30
Reading the Chronicle online today, I found an obituary for my next door neighbor at 269 Pleasant St, Arthur Bedard who passed on January 29. Now his visitation & funeral is tomorrow morning and people won't get the paper until later in day so using this to get word out.
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/chatham-ma/arthur-bedard-10556811

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 11:36:54
I would too, Bob. Sunday at 5pm after 30 hours in the dark and cold, 5800 homes were still out of power with restoration not expected until Monday night at 8pm yet the decision was made to close the Community Center at 7pm despite interior home temps of 40 degrees and no communication. It was a miracle EverSource and the EOC pulled off restoration of most homes by midnight Sunday and they are applauded. But we should not have to rely on miracles. I hope the decision will be, moving forward, to keep the Community Center open.

We do not need a "shelter" with all the bureaucratic red tape that requires. We do not need beds or food. All we need is a local, warm place to escape to when conditions are life threatening, which they were. We had that very place, and it was closed. Instead of all the reasons we can't, we need a can-do attitude.

At the risk of being redundant, the solution is simple.
1)Communicate before the storm what the plan is and stick to it. We had plenty of warning of the magnitude of this "historic" storm.
2)Tell residents the CC will be open all night until power is restored and they can bring pets- that they should bring cell phones and snacks and whatever they think they will need. That would free up first responders to deal with the most critical situations rather than transporting people to shelters 20 miles away.
3) Moving forward, allocate emergency funds from free cash to pay volunteer town employees to keep the building open. They have never even been asked. And our Emergency Manager should be full time. It is small money.The Town Manager has the authority to make this happen. She makes the call. Everyone reports to her

Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 11:14:49
Is today's purported TOC "debriefing" behind closed doors? I'd really like to see or hear it.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 09:11:37
rip. Kelley Patrick Gleason
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 18:47:29
Dick Fulcher, Thanks for the info. I purchased the letter.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 17:32:46
Most of Eastham was without power for 30 hours or so. We had 1/2 power, or about 58 volts instead of 120. Our generator took up the slack. We lost our phone service so we couldn't get the welcome and informative updates from our Eastham Police department. (They had their issues with no generator functioning.)
I am distressed to hear from brother Bob that he and his wife endured more than 30 hours without power or heat. Why was it so difficult for the Town of Chatham to open the Community Center for overnight sheltering? They must have paid overtime for the Highway Department to keep up with road conditions as best they could. When no one was supposed to be driving.(except to Nauset Regional High School in Eastham for sheltering)

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 16:59:49
I'd like to point out a few facts. CC Tech in Harwich never opened as a Shelter. Yesterday afternoon the County inexplicably close Nauset HS shelter that we had w been instructed to use- 16 treacherous miles away. The only shelters open were Barnstable, Sandwich and Falmouth.Nothing near us.As of 4pm yesterday Chatham still had 7700 homes without power and interior temperatures were in the 40's. Most of us were advised by EverSource we would not have power restored until 8pm tonight. That meant we had another night ahead of outside temps in the single digits, and yet the Town refused to keep the Community Center open through the night with such life threatening conditions. We were extremely fortunate that EverSource was able to get the power back to most by 8:15 last night-avoiding a potential disaster. We should learn from this that we as a community are on our own and we expect the town to provide a place of refuge at night when lives are at stake. There is simply no excuse it wasn't done and that plan wasn't communicated before residents lost power and communication.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 13:36:03
Shareen and others: Sorry if you have trouble with lengthy posts but as part of the SPAM blocking code that I added when I created this site was a couple of count limits in post. It was based on surveying good and bad posts and also keeps it easier to read.
Normally I don't say anything about details of those internal tests but to make it better for you regular folks, here's some info:
An individual post is limited to 1920 characters. Why that odd number? It's from my COBOL days, and is from a IBM 3270 terminal that had 24 lines of 80 characters each, which was the first CRT terminal we had at work.
Thus, a post is also limited here to 24 lines as marked by "CR" (Carriage Return).
If you have something long, you can test it in a word processor to see if it's going to work.
If you split it, post the BOTTOM half first because then TOP will appear where it should as most recent here is at top, ok?

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 12:12:38
Bob Ryder, Dick Ryder, and Nancy Petrus There is a letter dated 1855 from N. Chatham for sale on Ebay That you may be interested in if related.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 10:46:19
My email was too long to post- here is the rest.
CERT volunteers manned our Center and drove folks to the Nauset Shelter on Saturday night. No one needed to drive themselves if there were rides available and there were.
The Community Center served as our warming center and was open both Sat and Sun and is open today if you need. The hours of operation were updated as needed on Sunday. Originally 10-5, then changed to 8-5 and then to 7pm. People came and went throughout Sunday, the morning I was there. Select Board member Metters stopped in got an update and even cleaned up the walk way of extra snow and ice. Everyone who came into the Center was treated with care and respect by CERT volunteers. Rides were provided to and from the Center. If anyone needed they could call the Emergency Operation Center.
I want to give a shout out to Team CERT : Dave Miller (Chatham CERT volunteer coordinator ) Pam Miller, Warren and Victoria Chane and others for their many hours of service at the Center during the storm. And an equally big shout out to the businesses that could be open to feed people, provided a warm refuge, a place to charge your phone and even showers.
And to the many people in neighborhoods who had generators and in some case of South and Northwest Chatham who had power and threw open their doors to fellow citizens, neighbors and friends during the power outage. So many of you were posting on social media that your home was open available to anyone in need.
And if you would like to know more about our coordinated emergency response action plans go to the December 21, 2021 Select Board meeting where CFD Deputy Chief Travano and EOC Manager KZ gave a comprehensive review of local, county and state coordinations and services.

Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov >
Chathanm , MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 10:43:05
I am trying for the third time to post this.
Shareen while I appreciate your comments I don't think you realize the majority of the elderly do not have email or cell phones. We couldn't get the messages being sent out. This storm was predicted almost a week in advance but nothing happened or was planned for til it became an emergency. I had neither cell service or email during the storm or cell coverage was spotty at best. The tax payers of Chatham paid for that Community Center and as such are more than entitled to use it. If the Town has the money to fix a bike path that needs no fixing then they surely can come up with money to staff a shelter. To expect folks to leave the shelter at 7 last night to drive to Barsbsrable or Eastham was insane with the poor conditions of roads. I was freezing in my house with a fire. Others weren't so lucky -especially the seniors. I knew I'd be ok but worried about others that weren't as fortunate. Harwich opened their Library. Their COA has been fully functioning for months. What is the issue here? Susie -as far as you'd comments - this is a staffing issue that many of us have challenged for months. We have been trying to fix it - to no avail. I have heard nothing but excuses from Jill and the Emergency Coordinator. It's past time to get this fixed. I look forward to the debriefing tomorrow and many of us are not going to take kindly to these excuses when people's lives are at stake.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 10:34:17
Thanks, Shareen, realize that everyone is trying to do their best during difficult challenges. It reminds me of the quote : "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" ( the hippies had it right!)
Not unlike groups that need coaches or leaders (or volunteers)-- "I want my kid to be a part of it but don't see why I should help out ( or be part of it.)" Age old problem.
That said, sometimes a little agitation is necessary ( the hippies had it right, again ) ----- squeaky wheel , etc.

Susie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 09:26:27
Yes, we got the calls and updates. One question remains - was there a good reason that the Center had to be limited by time constraints? Thirtysix hours without electricity nearly put us into hypothermia. Find a way to open the center 24/7 when needed. I thought the town was relatively rich. Not true?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 09:24:42
Just to let folks who are in this forum there will be a storm debrief during this Tuesday Select Board meeting which starts at 6 pm and can be viewed on Channel 18, YouTube and by virtual attendance.

But in the meantime, I do want to let those concerned about resources for our citizens during storm know, especially the elderly, that Chatham Fire Department (CFD) in coordination with the Emergency Response Team and the Town Manager sent out resource updates through reverse 911 calls and emails before, during and after the storm. The Town of Chatham communicated updates regularly leading up to the storm in the Main Sheet newsletter, website and on social media . All hands that were needed and available were on deck, and yes the roads were terrible after the storm it takes time to clean up a major weather event. The town roads seem to be better than the State road. I understand DPW did a 12 hour shift Sat- through Sunday night to make the roads accessible for emergency responses and in preparation for Eversource resources and back at it on Sunday- as I am sure they still are this morning.

I believe the CFD responded to over 80 calls, the Emergency Operations Center (EOC) 508-945-5191 number fielded over 200 calls of inquiries and requests for assistance Saturday and Sunday. Thanks to KZ, our EOC manager for his expertise and to Susan Mabile for coordinating efforts at the EOC command center. .

The Town Manager was on duty and available the entire storm. Along with emergency personnel and essential workers from DPW, CPD, CFD, COA, Recreation and Harbormaster departments- I hope I am not missing anyone that makes up our emergency response team.

The TM worked with the EOC team on coordinated town emergency responses, and with Eversource to make Chatham a priority. She was at the Community Center with CERT volunteers both days and gave updates to the Select Board regularl

Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov >
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 08:42:18
Bob - it was awful. No excuse for what we've been through. I went to the warming center /Community Center at 10:15 to check it out. Folks were nice - but it was made clear we had to leave by 5. They were not going to stay open in this bitter cold . I asked what about the elderly and was told they could drive to Eastham or "Nauset" where there was a shelter set up. The roads were awful in Chatham - yet plows were down my road no less than 6-7 times . I went home because I knew I'd be ok. It was not satisfactory at all for the way the elderly were treated during this storm. Ms Goldsmith owns this mess. Cory and Shareen were at the center but I don't believe our Town Manager was. Not acceptable at all.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 21:30:20
Very disappointed with the offerings from the TOC during these tough few days of potentially dangerous storm related issues. Seems to me that we older folk expect more than has been offered.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 20:37:12
Here in Eastham, on the bluff, we have endured 90 mph winds over the years. Not so much yesterday. Growing up on North Beach, with kerosene lamps, a coal fired Glenwood range, and an ice box, I am familiar with hunkering down. Luckily, my wife's family came to Eastham in 1946. $1200 for 7 acres on the Bay.
With no amenities (water or electricity) in their first cottage before she was born.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 17:58:11
Kudos to John Martin of Orleans for cleaning up the two "Itty Bitty" round abouts in West Chatham that are two small for a ten wheeler with a plow..
Chick
USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 15:55:42
Hi Susie - it appears the Community Center will be open on Sunday but not tomorrow - which is unfortunate for the elderly living alone if power goes out.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/28/2022 - 13:20:09
Judy, see Chatham Fire dept Facebook post. Find police, fire and even COA more up to date in these situations. Stay warm (and if for nothing else, face masks help with that!)
Susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/28/2022 - 10:35:47
Has anyone heard whether or not our taxpayer funded Community Center will be open during the storm? I thought it was supposed to be a "warming center" and a place to go to recharge our devices during power outages? Nothing from the Town so far.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/28/2022 - 09:18:37
Check out windy.com for the best forecast based on their computer models.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/27/2022 - 19:09:17
This is from national weather service. Batten down the hatches. It looks like 9-13" plus 4 to 8" totaling 13" to 21".

Saturday
Snow, possibly mixed with rain, becoming all snow after 2pm. High near 35. Windy, with a north wind 21 to 26 mph increasing to 32 to 37 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 60 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 9 to 13 inches possible.

Saturday Night
Snow, mainly before midnight. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 18. Windy, with a north wind 29 to 34 mph decreasing to 22 to 27 mph after midnight. Winds could gust as high as 65 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches possible.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/27/2022 - 11:24:03
Does anyone know a reliable snow plowing service? If we have 10 to 14 inches of snow as predicted, we may all need plowing.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/27/2022 - 09:26:01
What is this white stuff that may be here Saturday? After 4 years of no snow I think it's about time.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/26/2022 - 12:31:40
Maybe Elek Toth would know whatever happened to John Chamberlin, who graduated with me in 1957 and served as a dentist in the Air Force. Elek stayed with Everett Small, and Everett's daughter married in to the Chamberlin family.
I stand by to be corrected.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/25/2022 - 19:10:57
All: Did anyone catch the Atwood Museum lecture, by Bill Burke of the National Seashore Parks Service tonight. Pretty cool discussion on the Cape Cod National Seashore. Many thanks Atwood team, well done.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Tue 01/25/2022 - 18:08:17
i agree with wayne this is good stuff whatever happened to rudy ulrich? in the early 50s, he eddie doane sotir sam liakos and i were sworn buddies. we would go to the corner drugstore for lime rickeys .. girls at least kitty di lorenzo discovered rudy ulrich at that early age so she would always mess up our plans .. eddie and i kept hoping we'd attract a girl the way rudy always did .. never happened .. rudy was like"the fonz" from happy days
'
'

ben h
USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 20:14:55
Richard, perhaps the Rudy you remember was Rudy Ulrich.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 10:49:01
Yes, it took a while but during the night I did recall the name Sandor Nagy.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 10:30:01
Bob: By the way Elek graduated in my class of 1960. He went on to be a physicians assistant in brain surgery. We usually see him at class reunions. We didn't have our 60th reunion because of covid in 2020.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 07:42:02
Great stuff Bob, Richard, and Dick! Keep it going. This is what this site is supposed to be about. Love it!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 19:52:20
Bob Elek Toth stayed with Every Small Victor Schmidt stayed with Charlie Shepard and Sandor Nagy I don't remember where he lived with. Myself and Norman Howes were good friends with them.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 19:38:46
Bob R: I remember those young men. I find it interesting that the present day leaders in Hungary are not welcoming any refugees.
Was one of the young men named Rudy? They were welcomed in to Explorer Post 71. It seemed like the right thing to do, based on what we had learned about what they had been through.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 17:21:16
Go to town website, click on "Agendas", click on Board of Selectmen"'and click on agenda. Instructions on how to join are there. Good luck!
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 16:54:51
Ned, the select board meeting is viewable locally on channel 18 and starts at 5:30.You can go on a few minutes earlier to be part of it virtually, there will be information on the screen giving you accesss.If you are unable to view this channel, I think you can call the town hall earlier in the day to get any access code information.My neighbor that is experiencing flooding of her home will be doing that from New York as she is a part time resident here.
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 13:16:36
BTW, we really appreciate all the kind and expert guidance on Solar Panels. We have someone (that several of you have used successfully) drawing up plans now. I'm going to have to rob a bank in Bolivia before this is all over. ;)
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, TX USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 12:18:33
Bob: Glad you had a chance to check it out. The Rick Roy team is doing an amazing job on the renovation. Mike Doyle did a first class job building it 48 years ago and John Roy's team is now harmonizing the new work with Mike's. Great group of lads. We're thinking about having another Chat-M-Room party in June when it's done. Nancy: How does one best log into the Select Board Meeting? Any guidance appreciated. 26 degrees here in Texas. We're shortly headed up to Austin for the Half Marathon tomorrow. Steve West: Hope to see you out on the course. Albeit, you'll be several miles ahead of me no doubt! Hope that you and Susan are well.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, TX USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 12:12:22
In 1956, three Hungarian Freedom Fighters arrived in Chatham. I believe all of them were teenagers. I remember being introduced and we became friends. Elek Toth and Victor Schmidt remain in my head, but the third has drifted out. I wonder what has become of all of them, and would appreciate getting the third name.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 08:48:05
I would like to invite the Chatham Community to please attend the virtual select board meeting on this Tues. Jan. 25th.Our local builder, (you know who I am talking of,) and the landowner's he built a home for on Joshua Jethro Road,irresponsibly and blatantly removed a drainage system on the property and changed the contours of the land in such a way that has caused flooding to two homes the drainage easement was meant to protect.This has also caused drainage issues, slope and erosion problems to all of the abutting properties.Instead of taking responsibility for doing so they are attempting to get the town to use grant money they have procured for drainage updates to the town to pay for the problems they created there.The building plan was determined to have been not reviewed appropriately by the water and sewer department yet the town seems ready to pay for the this project rather than make the landowner's do so.The landowner's were aware that not maintaining the drainage easement would cause flooding to other's properties yet it was filled in and made inoperable.There has been no accountability and there was no oversight of this build. Please support the abutters in asking the town to make the landowner's take financial responsibility and restore the plots contours and drainage easement to it's original pre-build topography.This is not right on many levels.It will be an interesting meeting.Thank you.
.

Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/21/2022 - 14:57:06
Ned, went by your Chatham home just before dark. Looks great. Can not wait to have an "eyeball" conversation.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/17/2022 - 19:45:50
Hope you folks up on the Cape are staying warm and out of the weather. Jim: Yes, we're in Texas this month. Our friends at Rick Roy Construction are doing some renovation work on our home so we're in the Lone Star State until it's done. Speaking of cold weather, have any of you had recent experience installing solar panels in Chatham? Julie and I were thinking about giving it a shot and wanted to know if you all felt it was a worthwhile undertaking. Any guidance appreciated and feel free to reach out to us offline as this is likely not a topic of great interest. Stay warm and safe up on beautiful Cape Cod.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Sun 01/16/2022 - 22:22:34
How's you all make out in the storm? Ned, you still down here in Texas? San Antonio is cold - I think it got to freezing for a bit. Windy. Ya'll have power?
JimP
USA - Sun 01/16/2022 - 07:47:03
Glad to hear the Community Center is open in case we lose power. Messages said they will be open for a warming center and to recharge devices. Unfortunately none of the messages stated the hours it would be open - one could only hope it will be for the duration of the storm.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/14/2022 - 18:22:36
Yesterday, we had a great horned owl hooting in a Palm tree on the golf course. Teddy (the wonder kitten) freaked out at the noise in the dark). They hunt and devour small pets here in The Desert. Teddy does not go out.....EVER!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/12/2022 - 10:44:38
All: Owls are really neat species for sure. We have a well established family of American Bald Eagles here in Spring, Texas. They are also fun to watch. Majestic. I grew up hunting throughout New England and Texas (e.g., deer, pheasant, partridge, ducks, etc.). However, I've slowing but surely drifted away from the hunting and really gathered an interest in birding. It's a blast spotting birds and documenting their travels, movements and habits. Setting feeders in Chatham is also rewarding. Chatham certainly has a real abundance of wildlife. You can really get lost in the birding hobby. Does anyone know if there are local groups that go on spotting hikes on the lower Cape? Any guidance appreciated.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 01/12/2022 - 09:37:51
With a six foot wingspan and silent flight, Great Horned Owls are certainly formidable creatures.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/10/2022 - 10:25:45
We had a "parliament" of owls living behind us in Iowa when I was stationed at Rock Island. Big guy used to hang out on our roof and every summer we'd see new "owlets." Later in the summer when the little toads/frogs were out in the yards hopping around you could see the owls wadling around slurping them up like candy.; the Horned owls were MUCH bigger than they appeared. They walked funny as heck. We called the big guy "Hoppy McHoot." He was always around and it was very neat to hear them in the winter hooting to each other.

We have another family across the green space from our neighborhood here in San Antonio. You can hear them in the early morning before the sun comes up. REALLY neat animals.

I never heard any Great Horned on the Cape but on the occasion really cold winter, arctic snowy (?) owls would hang out around the shore. Made quite the event with everyone trying to see them.

Owls are probably my favorite raptor.

JimP
USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 18:29:26
When I lived in my Old Harbor Rd house, in the summer we would sleep in the barn and hear them very often. I found the noise they made was soothing.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
No Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 15:56:56
We had an Eastern Screech Owl hanging out in the trees behind our house in the early fall.
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 13:41:21
Yes, we have great horned owls in the tall pine trees of North Eastham. One time years ago, after we had just installed an anemometer, it all of a sudden went to zero. The wind was blowing 15-20. Went outside with a flashlight to see what went wrong. There on top of the cups was a magnificent owl. We occasionally hear them calling at night.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 11:20:29
Yesterday, we had a great horned owl hooting in a Palm tree on the golf course. Teddy (the wonder kitten) freaked out at the noise in the dark). They hunt and devour small pets here in The Desert. Teddy does not go out.....EVER!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/08/2022 - 19:55:10
All: Have any of you recently spotted Owls on the lower Cape? We have one at our place on Cedar Street. I was listening to MVY Radio (Martha's Vineyard) this morning and apparently they has a bunch of them on the island and are hosting a spotting event next week. That's kind of cool. Richard, I suspect there are a bunch in Eastham.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, TX USA - Sat 01/08/2022 - 12:04:15
Yes, Richard and Barry Fulcher's mother was there, selling tickets and candy. Next door, at the A& P, we were aware of rats that travelled between the two businesses. Movie goers were their friends. They had all the popcorn they wanted. I am speaking of the mid 50's.
I can tell you of exploding watermelons in the A&P basement. ( Perhaps a later entry.) I can't make this stuff up.

Happy New Year to all. And an especially healthy one.
Mask up!!!!! And get vaccinated!!!!!!!

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/01/2022 - 17:37:17
Better than a dull line

Visit Pleasant Forest Shores Website CHAT-M-Room (TC) history for prior months

Chatham Historical Society