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As kids growing up on North Beach, my brothers and I went to the "backside" alone, swam in the raging surf without supervision and somehow made it out alive and without incident. I also let my own kids do the same. Somehow now it seems like a foolhardy thing to do.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 03/25/2017 - 10:20:39
In the fifties the Oyster Pond teaching lifeguard was Alison Church. She wore a black and white checked cotton bathing suit, which, from all that bending over in the sun, turned her torso skin tan and white from the sun!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/25/2017 - 09:48:50
From the age of eight, I spent every summer on the beach at the end of Andrew Harding's Lane without supervision and came home only for lunch or to change into a dry bathing suit.I don't think we had sharks or seals then but who knows. Today neither I nor my children will let the grandchildren go there alone even though the beach is almost in my back yard. Too bad.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Fri 03/24/2017 - 20:51:09
April Fool's Day coming up! One I heard today was when the bride's Dad was at her and his son-in-law's house and they had worked hard outside and it was time for a shower. The father-in-law went first, turned on the shower and jumped in. Quite quickly the water turned brown and the senior man jumped out noting the house was only two years old and should not have rusty pipes. Come to find out the son-in-law had unscrewed the shower head and inserted a beef bullion cube and screwed it shut again.

I switched the sugar and the salt one year. Axel was not happy with the salt in his coffee but was even more upset that I had wasted food. Tried not to do so since.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 03/24/2017 - 15:35:22
My siblings and I all learned to swim at Oyster Pond. Don't know how they are teaching now but our lifeguard teachers meant business, nothing "so called" about it. Still have one of my prized completion cards! Only negative I remember was when it was drizzly and cold...still had to go. Definite positive...Hojo's cone afterwards.
Melissa
USA - Fri 03/24/2017 - 08:26:58
John, I hope this post will end the matter on CMR. I have never accused Selectman Taylor of voter fraud. If anyone wishes to discuss this further, please do not address me on this site. My email address is included with this post and I will be happy to respond to any emails.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/23/2017 - 18:08:27
In my mind, taking so called swimming lessons at the Oyster Pond only allowed me to dig for cohogs with my toes. And, of course doing cannonball jumps from the platform. I never thought that humans were meant to swim. Who among us have gills? I did meet a Navy diver once who could hold his breath for 6 minutes, and was interviewed by Charles Kuralt. Not at the same time.
The three of us had lunch together.

Fishermen are inclined to try to stay on the boat.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/23/2017 - 17:57:24
Who remembers the following nonsense from back in the day?:

Wait at least one hour after eating before going swimming otherwise you could get abdominal cramps and drown!

This wasn't just something our parents believed. I read in a 1950's newspaper that after a summer drowning in a Mid-Cape town the Medical Examiner cited the cause of death as being the above!

glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/23/2017 - 15:59:51
"You can't keep trouble from coming, but you don't have to give it a chair to sit on."
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 03/22/2017 - 10:14:22
Bruce. Don't leave Chatham. It's still a great place to live and even has good characters like Chowderman. Just stop reading this site for a while until the longwindedness or unpleasantness goes away. Did you grace my driveway with some shells? If so, thank you. Have to buy some Clorox and call on TWNickerson this summer.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 03/21/2017 - 09:37:35
Emily: Thank you for your response. I am sending you an email. Would be most interested in seeing your photos.
John Gulow <jgulow@capecod.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/21/2017 - 08:42:30
Richard Gould Ryder: Thanks, a great suggestion...I know Noel...haven't seen him in years. He used to be at the Wellfleet Flea Market for years. He had tons of postcards and he authored a series of booklets on Cape Cod. Many thanks.
John Gulow <jgulow@capecod.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/21/2017 - 07:42:55
I have actual photos of the Chatham train wreck...... NOT postcards. Wayne Gould tells me they are very rare. Contact me in June, 945 4277 if you are interested.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 03/20/2017 - 20:28:26
John Gulow:
Noel Beyle of Eastham probably has what you are looking for. He has a gazillion Cape Cod postcards, photos, etc. Don't have his email address.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/20/2017 - 17:50:57
Bill M: Since I'm not aware of a way to contact you privately, I'll say here that George had asked you to email/contact him directly which is following my request to keep certain things outside this site so can you do so, please? I don't want to limit discussion here but your post just expanded this topic into something that will cause ME more problems and time, and which I can't allow right now, ok? Thanks.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 03/20/2017 - 13:21:23
George- So, in other words are you confirming and stating that you have evidence that Selectman Taylor committed voter fraud? Yes or no? You wrote in your post: "I will provide you with the evidence for every claim or assertion I have made regarding Mr. Taylor"
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/20/2017 - 10:16:59
Hi Glen...
Thanks for the tip, but I've already been there. They do have some amazing things as I perused several of their photo albums. The Atwood is a treasure!

John Gulow <jgulow@capecod.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/20/2017 - 07:58:45
If no has the photo here your best chance to get it will be in the archives at Chatham Historical Society's Atwood House. I've been there a couple of times perusing the photos.They have most of their images on CD.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/19/2017 - 21:22:40
I am looking for a copy of a photo that was taken 21 November 1887 when the Chatham Railroad first started service. It is a photo of the Depot/Station all decorated with bunting and flags. This photo appeared in an article written by Tim Wood that was published in the 29 January 1987 issue of the Cape Cod Chronicle. I have found a copy of the paper in the Eldredge Library Archives, but it is of a low quality. I need a better copy made from the original photo to use in a presentation I will be making 9 April at the Atwood Sunday Lecture Series. Any help, or suggested source that may have that photo is appreciated...Thank You. You may phone me at home at 508-945-4234 or TEXT my Cell Phone 508-237-1482. I will try to post a copy of that newspaper photo on the Photo site.
John Gulow <jgulow@capecod.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/19/2017 - 18:39:58
Campbell's tomato soup and mushroom soup are often on sale at a very reasonable price at Stop and Shop and/or Shaw's Market. A tuna fish or egg salad sandwich won't break the bank. With the suggested proposed federal cuts in meals on wheels of thirty-three percent wouldn't it be nice if the Chatroom participants would step up and help their own with a few lunches per week? I thought maybe a few opposite view pointers could prepare and deliver together like George and
Judith and maybe they would find some common ground as well as recognizing the value of charity.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 03/19/2017 - 14:44:26
Alan: Thanks much for the long phone call last night and your understanding! But I would slightly disagree with your terminology as to what we discussed..."Tone it down" to me is when discussions get heated or impolite which has NOT been an issue with your entries that I recall...I would use the phrase "tighten it up" instead as I (hopefully politely) asked for a reduction in non-topic/non-Chatham verbiage.
A longer post specifically about a Chatham/Cape Cod person/item/event/issue is fine but tangents that don't seem/appear to directly connect to that can be irritating for some readers as you've seen. This guideline applies to all posters here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/19/2017 - 13:05:21
Dear all:
FYI,I spoke to John last evening, he requested I tone it down.
Kind Regards

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/19/2017 - 10:13:40
Yahoo Groups was just a suggestion John (they host Naval Academy and Coronado Groups I'm in and provide so much more functionality for the moderator and members) seems you are just as set with Harvard Coop as you were 5 years ago which is fine because we all appreciate your hard work in providing this forum and you are the one maintaining it, if you want to drive a "stick shift" these days then that's your choice but I sure hope you find a way to take control (Yahoo Groups gives the moderator instant control unlike trying to operate with an an independent server like Harvard Coop)- Functionality aside, how about you address the real issue more effectively than you have s far? Did you read and and absorb what old timer AKA Bruce wrote? He is "outta here" because of all this petty sniping and other issues which should be dealt with privately - All you need to do is either manage and control what goes on in here more effectively or delegate someone to do it for you - people know you are a kind-hearted guy so they play you like a drum while you fumble around with explanations about what you will and won't permit - Please just do it John, delete those inappropriate posts and clean up the room - someone attacks someone, just delete it and tell the room you won't stand for it that you want a positive environment in here - It's a great place to visit when everyone is sharing good times and thoughts.
Ben H
USA - Sat 03/18/2017 - 20:57:23
Hey Chowdahman! That was a nice write up they did on you in the Chronicle! I was a little late in reading it, but a nice piece nonetheless.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Sat 03/18/2017 - 18:58:41
Ben: Yahoo groups? LOL! Which company had the biggest security breach thus far involving billions of users? Yahoo! There are rare occasions where the HCoop server has issues BUT I have control over what site looks like, feels like, and operates. True, I can't delete posts without some manual effort but it's something I usually only have to do about 1-2 times a year so not that critical. As to security: This site has it via obscurity! In that it's not really known to anyone but us (and Google/Bing somewhat). I highly doubt anyone has gotten phished/spam/etc as result of this site. Not saying it's impossible but it's much greater chance of that via more popular known sites.
And there is a $7 month cost to HCoop but given the chance to have the site essentially match the feel of the old one that folks (and I) liked, I think it's worth it. As y'all have seen, I finally posted a note about donations. If people want to send some funds, I'd be happy but I can't promise to publicly recognize it as before.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/18/2017 - 11:00:49
Yea, you got some real character in this room. No one is begging you to read what I write.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 23:46:52
John why not just move the Chat M Room to Yahoo Groups where you are still the moderator but don't have all the high maintenance worries about server issues etc - eliminates all expenses and the biggest benefit for all of us allows you to delete any post instantly - plus the group gets the up to date protection from phishing and spam and stolen personal info definitely not available to the group through whatever server you are now using - some of us would prefer not to be exposed without protection the way we are now when there is a much better option available - check it out please
Ben H
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 23:16:01
Judith, I think "The Golden Rule" is best way here: "How would you react if same was written about you?"
BLH
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 23:03:52
Dick that was really great much overdue and much needed thank you
Ben H
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 22:58:48
Dick: That was really unkind.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 21:13:56
Alan, please, nobody wants to read all of the senseless dribble you spew on this site. Limit your posts for our sake,for crisakes.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 21:08:52
Carl maybe not my favorite Elvis songs but "Don't be Cruel" or "Hard Headed Woman" seem appropriate for this room
Ben H
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 20:45:50
Alright, Let's go night night and try this all again tomorrow with maybe a friendlier attitude.I will also have something to say about civility in Chatham politics.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 20:19:51
A couple of brief items based on most recent posts:
1) Alan W: I would ask you to be more concise/brief in your entries as some have had lots of text that has NO relationship/connection to the topic thread or to Chatham. This is not a warning but a polite request for now, ok?
2) George: I think, given her viewpoint, Judy P. did make a proper request and I want to allow you to continue to post but not if I'm going to lose others as result, ok? So please use discretion in entries for a while at least.
3) Ben H: My abilities to control content here are rather limited due to the technical aspects of how site works and that's why sometimes I have to leave some entries in place that ideally maybe shouldn't appear. The rules here are very simple and easy to understand by other than some trolls so not sure what you're referring to. But explaining it in quick postings isn't easy either. I can discuss via voice if you want more info.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 20:15:09
Richard
First, I'll take your last line first: If that's anyone's idea of sportsmanship, they should be removed from the scene, nothing I would be proud about to even mention, I could say more, but I will not.

Second: I've been to all the Chatham's you mentioned, I may not be any 14th descendant of the Mayflower gang, but I assure you, I understand where I am and I am not confused.

Third: You may have to bear with me for a second to get my point, but a short story for you. A favorite lyric of mine, "The way it is, some things will never change, ah but don't you believe them." When I think about those words, I think of a young boy of Mexican descendant living in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He lived on the other side of the tracks and yes he did not look like the others. He had nothing. That young boy is now 77, a real family man who did not have anywhere near the skills of the Patriots Brady. In 1970, he brought the Minn. Viking to the super bowl-his name -Joe Kapp. His drive and spirit would put most to shame. He first played in the Canadian football league before he made it to the NFL. It was his, never give up attitude, that made him what he was and he surely did not need the kind of cheer leading you describe. Joe Kapp was well beyond that. Unfortunately and sadly last year he announced he has Alzheimers.
My ultimate point, you folks who lived in Chatham Ma or live here now, do not know how good you have it! Instead of heading out to some of these other Chatham's, you might wish to visit places like Sante Fe.

There is an old biblical saying Richard: Those who shall be first, will be last and those who are last, shall be first-something like that, I'm sure you heard of it.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 19:36:06
Judy, I am sorry if you and others are offended by my posts, but I do not intend to stop reporting what I perceive to be Mr. Taylor's transgressions and indiscretions until he stops committing them. BTW, I would not characterize your post as "nicely."
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 19:22:54
Richard, That is strange as I was cheerleading for CHS in the 1950's and more than likely would have heard that outlandish cheer, but never did.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 18:41:50
Alan: You are very creative in your writing ,but mostly a newbie to Chatham, MA history. You may have been confused and got on the wrong ChatHam room. Like Chatham, NJ, or Chatham, Ontario. Or, Chatham England, where the Royal Navy Dockyards are.
I just learned of a 1950's Cheerleader line from an elderly Orleans resident: Chatham, Chatham, throw s___ at'em.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 17:28:30
I doubt that very much George. You are getting very tiresome listening to. It's an obsession with you and as John suggested - I am asking you nicely to just knock it off and take your show elsewhere - we are tired of it.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 17:16:17
Bill M, If you will provide me with your email address, I will provide you with the evidence for every claim or assertion I have made regarding Mr. Taylor that you wish to know about. I suspect more people are turned away from politics by the behavior they witness of Mr. Taylor than by my reporting of it.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 16:44:41
I backed off and accepted the decision on the sidewalk. I won't be walking on Stage Harbor Road. Not safe.
Debbie
Chatham,, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 15:29:28
I should have said "others should know to back off and respect property owner's wishes - sorry
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 14:37:03
Debbie - Exactly - couldn't agree with you more. . . When a majority of folks make their wishes known, others should know to back off and respect property owner's rights.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 14:28:36
Judy, My feelings certainly don't get hurt when folks disagree with me. I'm fine with that. It's about respect, or lack thereof.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 14:23:31
I find it interesting that folks who advocate for projects (seldom needed) always seem to do so with no regard for the property owners involved then their feelings get hurt when folks disagree with them.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 14:01:41
Speaking of civility I was stunned to hear the following statement from a Selectman at this week's meeting: After stirring up a hornet's nest, some then tried to stuff a sidewalk down peoples' throats. (This in regard to Stage Harbor Road.) Hyperbole for sure, but I was one who advocated for a sidewalk out of my concern for safety, and I thought I was doing the right thing. I was hoping there would be more respect for my effort. Statements like that really hurt.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 13:05:35
George, isn't it actually inappropriate, if not irresponsible, for you to have targeted Selectman Taylor for the past several years with all sorts of claims without any evidence whatsoever? What kind of person mounts such a campaign of character assassination and for what purpose? I am a voter and this is the type of skulduggery that turns people away from politics. In the April 2, 2015 edition, The Chronicle reported that "Roper (RIP) emailed The Chronicle a packet of computer printouts from the Branford town clerk's office, which had been produced in response to a request by George Myers, a Chatham resident who lives part-time in Fort Myers, Fla." Is this what politics in Chatham has become? I remember the day when everyone was civil with one another and we were all in it together. Not today, obviously.
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 12:22:44
Debbie:
Good to hear. No worry, be Happy. I'm no saint. I just try to either look as many instruments as possible over a 30 second time frame for as many 30 sec time frames as I can, before drawing conclusions. Must of been the unconscious Sigmund Freud in me this time.


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Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 11:41:11
Alan, You want me to take on a "new heading" just because I posted the first three words that came to mind of a song that I love? It's no doubt hard for you to believe, but I meant nothing by failing to use the title. And please know that often the "truth" is in the eye of the beholder. Many people with differing opinions care about doing the right thing.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 11:18:16
Cactus 1549 : Capt Sullenberger reports to LGA controller that he lost thrust in both engines. LGA response, two words: "Got It" Yea I got it. LGA promptly responded with Turn left 220 degrees. Some of these readers could take on a new heading as well.

"Caught in a trap" "Suspicious Minds" a great song, only the phase used here, I suppose had a different meaning for someone. Judith, I give you this, I see you as good, trying and doing the right thing. The writer of "this one," may wish to listen to Benny King's 1961 version of "Stand by Me" they might learn something.

And if not, try Ms. Clarks 1969 version from the movie theme to Sir with Love. Here's where one might extract some true passion and come to an understanding of a hard working teacher. I remarkable performance by Sidney, maybe some could still build off it.

And if that's not enough, I challenge you to listen to Coldplays Viva La Viva, it made the Super Bowl a few years back.

As for me, I always believed that even if the score is 30 to 3 and only two minutes to play, I never stopped trying to win, giving up was not in me and I hope that will always be the case.

30 years ago, I listened to this performer in the Arts Center who started out with Apres Vous (where he viewed the phase as "Lets Go" and he followed up with "My Way" great to see him when he lived. No matter, it was not a case attend

Attend

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 10:51:54
Please hang in there, John!
Jennifer
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 09:41:08
Always like Burning Love and In the Ghetto. Never saw Elvis in person.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 09:32:30
George and John, etal: George knows the truth of the matter and fortunately so do others. Finis.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 09:32:06
Caught in a Trap.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 08:08:26
Hey Ben - What is your favorite song by the King? Not Nat King Cole but the King of Rock and Roll.
One of my favorites was Jailhouse Rock which has been popular since my days in boot camp at Great Lakes.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 03/17/2017 - 07:59:41
John I hate to criticize a good guy like you who puts so much of himself into this site but when you were away or dealing with issues we got back on a "roll" then as soon as you return and start in with your well-intended but very hard to understand rules and reasons and permitted names, the room reverts to a complete mess of attacks interspersed with Alan's boring pontifications about what is now - If you can not or will not deal with it John why not appoint a Master At Arms, empower that person to set the rules and then ENFORCE them - just delete or suspend or throw people out - who cares about these petty battles about trips to Conn (for example)? I especially do not give a hoot whether or not Judith offended George or George offended Judith - delete the post before we see it and if they persist, suspend them - Why drive away a great guy and long-term supporter like Bruce? Really upset with you John even though I know it is part of you to want to please everyone - Ask Bruce to give you another chance, tell him you understand his point and will try to return the room to what it was and should be. Thanks
Ben H
USA - Thu 03/16/2017 - 21:14:52
There you go again, Judith. I did not drive, I was not driven nor did I go to Connecticut as you allege.

And you are dead wrong that I asserted that the selectman in question voted in two places. It is inappropriate for you to make such a claim without any evidence whatsoever. (John, if you are thinking about deleting Judith's post because she claimed I made a false assertion, or this reply, I respectfully request that you do not.)

If there was any "character assassination" before the Charter Review Committee, it was carried out by the selectman himself. I merely reported it.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/16/2017 - 00:44:03
Ok folks...remember that this site, because it's not threaded, can be somewhat like the proverbial drunken sailor and lurching from one topic to another..and if you find posts that don't meet your needs or interests, it's up to YOU to redirect it somewhere else and not just pick up your ball/keyboard and leave, ok?
I don't want to stop people from having a place to discuss important items to them but I also don't want it to be a place of continuing battles either between a few users...and which thus causes other users to stop visiting/posting here...so users POLITELY informing other posters that their topics may not be ideal for continued discussion might be a good thing to do, or alternatively, just ignoring them .

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Thu 03/16/2017 - 00:08:21
QRT-Stop tranmitting, huh?
So long, Have a good night, we'll be leaving you

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 23:19:26
I have to agree with Bruce. Best to all. Nw QRT ...-.-
Ron Farris <wa1rf@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 21:47:18
Well, George. I'm sure there's some technicality in my comments which you would dispute. Perhaps someone else drove you to CT. But, I recall a meeting of the BOS where another member of the BOS claimed the need to clean up our own house (the BOS) based on your assertion (false) that a selecman was voting in two places. It was a failed attempt. You have mounted a campaign against Seth Taylor which began way back in Nov. of 2014 when you submitted a 15 p. character assassination document to the Charter Review Commission. I recall Shareen Davis refused to make a motion to include it in the record.

I am absolutely on record about not defending disrespectful behavior. But that goes for everyone George.

Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 20:25:36
I want to know more about what is happening to the South of the Lights. What is happening to the channel? Will there be another way to get out of Pleasant Bay soon?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 19:40:44
Well, Judith. You have it wrong on several counts. First, I never "actually drove to Connecticut and back," though I did look into whether a selectman complied with state voting regulations. It was not "a failed mission."

You are also dead wrong if you think there is only "a committee of two" who are concerned about the selectman and want to see him replaced.

You are on the public record stating that you are "not defending" that selectman's occasional "disrespectful behavior" at the Charter Review Committee and you noted the "animosity" between the Committee and the selectman. My choice of adjectives to describe his behavior is obviously different than yours, but we simply view the behavior from different perspectives.

Finally, you have no clue why I don't vote in Chatham, but I am a taxpaying Chatham homeowner and, according to a recent vote by the Board of Selectmen, I have a right to be heard by the Board and the town.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 15:49:57
Bruce:
"out intellectualize" not on my part "mutated to diminished return" Perhaps its comments like these is why you observe antagonistic posts. This is off the beaten track, the old Continental Airlines, after their terrible times, created the work ethic "Work Hard, Fly Right" Few people outside the company really understood what that meant, however Gorden Berfune did find the believers to drive the company forward and there were folks who understood! Those who gave up eventually came to leave on their own. There are always reasons to "come back across the canal"

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 13:47:19
Bruce - what if Lisa and Don Edge need anonymous shells for their driveway?
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 13:32:11
As one who remembers fishing the waters where the Morris Island dyke is now, I have cherished this site for the comfort of fond memories of my beloved home town. Since it now seems that politics, antagonism, and the obvious effort to "out intellectualize" everyone else, this site has mutated to the point of diminished returns. There is no reason to continue lurking here and time to cut the cord. I shall always remember "old Chatham" but there is surly no reason to come back across the canal. Adieu
Bruce
WA USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 12:01:48
Ben H et al:
To date over the last two weeks, for the most part, besides the ghost thing, this site has been involved with a reassuring repetition of history which is OK, however at some point, like it or not, Chatham must move on to a new, difficult, but essential confrontation with reality. If Chatham Ma is to have any resemblance of the past and what you might want it to be in the future, John's site can be used to begin a research for sophisticated solutions to complex and obstinate issues (like the water concerns explained below and as one can see the problem is more subtle and less simple).
Ben H., what obviously can be gained from the past, is not to make the same mistakes moving forward. While you may wish to engage in nostalgia over politics (and I understand, but you did question which is good), one does not have to engage in the grand warfare of rival ideologies , but just some suggestions to practical management.
Never-the-less, John has had to deal with some difficult situations and so his readers might wish to member the following: the great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the the myth-persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Mythology distracts us everywhere, the dialog between business and gov't and well as between gov't and the public-illusions are created which clog effective action. Does this happen in Chatham? Problems of confidence becomes a matter of both myth and truth. What John, his readers and the citizens of Chatham could use today is not labels and cliches, but more basic technical questions. What immediately comes to mind is Elaine's 2011 review about the sewer/water problem confronting the community and not the intimated suggestions of more regulation unless absolutely required by the true facts.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/15/2017 - 11:15:43
Wayne, I too remember fooling around in the old house up on cribbing in the parking lot behind the movie theater. It was owned at one time by Capt. Elijah Crosby. There is a good picture of Capt. Elijah and the house in it's original location in my father's book Chatham Sea Captains
SN

S Nickerson <snbrinc@outlook.com>
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/14/2017 - 17:16:31
Don't want to post too much but something in Joe's list of names makes me wonder a bit: For someone who claims to be new to the site, listing a descriptive signature that was used (AFAIK) only ONE time for a innocuous "Happy Thanksgiving everyone" post from Nov 2013 (and the file with it was last updated Oct 2014) seems rather unusual.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 23:53:54
John, you keep it up. This is a great asset to the community. The door swings both ways for folks that don't want to play nice.

and, yes...my name is actually JimP. If you lived in Chatham you'd know exactly who I am.

JimP
USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 20:51:01
THANKS MUCH for the supportive posts: Debbie, Wayne, John, Jennifer and Melissa! And to Joe: That is certainly not the best/ideal way to begin posting here by such critical comments about how I operate this but I'm not going to delete it because as Moderator, I have to tolerate some rare negative feedback like yours.
Re names: Carl/ChowderMan is a unique situation but he was posting here for years under his given name before use of nickname began and I've allowed the dual signature for only him. Cape Cod Alice is another recent newbie that I hadn't yet had chance to address fully.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 18:31:25
I concur with previous posters. John does an amazing job and I appreciate this opportunity to discuss both the past and the present.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 18:28:55
Joe, You are not the first one to want a new place to say what ever you please however: that has never worked out. Several other people have started new sites and I have checked them but no one ever goes there. Try it, it would be interesting if it worked. If you use John's site it is like going into someones living room. If they don't want you to smoke, don't smoke! John does a great job!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 18:21:32
Joe, as a CHAT-M-Room participant for many years, my impression is that John Hallgren has done an even-handed job as moderator. I think the opportunity to express your thoughts about Chatham is a wonderful service. The rules have never been too onerous. I think John openly welcomes new voices and new points of view. It's a small town, but a diverse one and the CHAT-M-Room allows many of us to speak out.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 17:56:25
I, for one, would like to give tremendous thanks to John for all he has done with this site and the way in which he does it! I have enjoyed it for many years and look forward to hearing about issues in town and especially the history of Chatham from those fortunate to have lived here longer than I have. And as a previous poster wrote, if this site isn't managed the way you like, please find another site for yourself that is. Hang in there, John!
Jennifer
USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 17:55:32
As a newcomer, Joe, perhaps you missed this posted at the top of the Town Common Page: "Note: This is a moderated chatroom! Any comments that do not relate to the intended subjects may be deleted, and editing of all comments is at the sole discretion of moderator(s)."
You might also like to know that John H. rescued this site from terminal hacking and shouldered the task at out of support for what it stood for and at first, even out of his own pocket (still operates on donations).
He remains devoted to the mission even after serious eye issues, running his own business and trying to have a life aside from this venue.
If you are unhappy with this Room and feel you should go elsewhere, it is certainly your right to do so.

Melissa
USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 16:06:40
Hi Moderator,

I would say this in public:

You are being a censor. Period.

I'm new to this site and thought I would stop by because I heard there has been some interesting conversation. I hope my name is normal enough. Are all these names ok- Chowdah Man, Ben H., Gary, JimP, JJ, Carla, Bill P, Amy, Mike S., cape cod alice, Tom, Melissa, Handsome, Pete, Ellen, rr, Don, Dan,

I'd love to post from time to time, but not if there is going to be alot of censoring and you are going to treat everyone like babies and block people.

Maybe there should be a new public site where people can have discourse without someone saying "THIS IS MY SITE!"

In looking at the post history, you let some people attack but then you censor other people.

Very disappointing.

Time for a new site everyone.

It's too bad but it's true. The Great Moderator in the Sky seems to play favorites.

You watch... this post will probably be deleted too.

Joe
USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 15:54:14
Someone has notified me indirectly that they feel I am censoring postings here and being partial to certain people and not others. I will simply say that if you can't follow the simple rules of "Would I say this in public at a televised BOS or similar board meeting? Or would I submit it to newapaper as Letter To Editor? And would I be allowed to do so or would it be printed?" -and- refraining from flowery extraneous language, then your comments may be a problem here. This is a PRIVATE site that allows most all public comment but not all, especially when it's what I consider a personal attack on others. Sorry if that offends a few users of this site but that's how it's always operated.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 15:24:37
NOTICE: Posts made with obviously fictitious signatures and that contain personal attacks against other users of this site or townspeople will NOT be allowed to remain on this site and will be deleted without warning! It's MY site and i have some standards that WILL be followed, ok? (If you're wondering what prompted this notice, it was a posting that WAS here for about 30 minutes just now and the text of which, I have saved in case anyone wants it.)
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 13:44:32
Eldredge Garage is coming down.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/13/2017 - 09:44:08
I know a house with 2 bedrooms that's advertised as 3 bedrooms sleeps 10+.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/12/2017 - 20:10:25
Debbie: Yes, that's a problem, like a house very near my place which is listed on property appraiser (and real estate agent when sold) as two bedrooms being advertised on rental site as three bedrooms and suitable for six which I feel isn't right.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sun 03/12/2017 - 19:55:45
John, The concern relates to the possibility of too many tenants being housed in many of the rentals. Maybe this is a factor in infrastructure being able to handle the summer demand for water.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/12/2017 - 18:56:07
Emily, I haven't read any details on that possible bylaw, but I would say to you: While maybe a good deal of profit goes to absentee owners, it's not always the case...some rent the weeks they don't use themselves, some are year round residents who live elsewhere locally during summer, etc. And as someone who has to get inspection yearly, having others who rent out needing some kind of check is a good thing to me. I don't see how it relates to water use, however.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sun 03/12/2017 - 17:43:23
Emily, It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. The two issues playing into registration of rentals are water use and safety. Registration is a good place to start.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/12/2017 - 17:40:03
Hmmmm, read in the Chronicle this morning that there is a move afoot to examine a bylaw pertaining to short and long term rentals. Reason stated was about concern for water usage and safety in the summer. Huh? The major interest of the Town should be a fee structure for summer rental homes, similar to what B&Bs, Inns, Motels and hotels now pay, a bed tax. Palm Springs has done this for years and has carefully constructed bylaws, etc. Chatham has become a high priced summer bedroom community with the only profits going to absentee owners. Jus' thinkin'
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 03/12/2017 - 16:47:49
What do you think of those Monomoy Sharks boys basket ball team. From last place, only won one game last year to the finals this year. Job well done.
Don St. Pierre <lobsteringdstp@comcast.net>
N Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 15:42:26
Thesquire.com
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 15:21:57
Wayne, I check in on the Squire live video cams every morning! East and West high-def! I've even seen friends walk by with their dogs and a young woman cross-country ski up to the Squire Tavern door during the first snowstorm. Pretty cool way to keep in touch. My new neighbor sends me photos of 113 frequently. Last week she sent snowdrops in my front beds (who knew?) and raves about all the buds on the Magnolia. Not all newcomers to Chatham are half as thoughtful and nice.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 15:19:48
Emily, The cookware got a new deck on the porch. How did you know that work was being done when you are in Rancho Mirage?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 14:04:44
And where would that get us Alan? Not all express themselves as well as you so we would quickly be back to the same negativity and personal attacks - give me the nostalgia over politics any time, everyone seems to have more fun and join in - Carl, you old fart scratcher, I never knew until now you married a child bride - Happy belated birthday Carol!
Ben H
USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 10:28:16
Perhaps someone did not read the proposed Charter revisions and watch the video. That LTE just scratched the surface.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 10:24:07
A very Happy Birthday to Mrs. Chowderman!!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 09:57:31
Happy 70th Birthday to the Chowderman's main quahog scratcher!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 09:22:19
I'm sorry that I wasn't aware sooner of the improper postings here yesterday and which have been removed. The original issue and rule violation that I noticed was the usage of a non-personal signature in the form of "The ghost of xyz" on more than one posting. That is definitely NOT acceptable here, ok? And while I had said that the content was in general ok, upon reading the posts again, the original one had remarks that were (what I consider) personal attacks against another regular poster and that also is NOT allowed here!
And to make it worse, the posting complained about the "mean spirited tenor" and then proceeded to use very negative and mean spirited language when referring to one of the Chat-M-Room regulars. Exceptionally hypocritical at best and that type of comment will NOT be tolerated here! However, since I don't see every post immediately (as some incorrectly believe), a post like that may stay for some time until I can deal with it, ok?

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/11/2017 - 03:48:39
John: Perhaps a good time to make your rules reminder. There are new people in the room as well as ghosts.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/10/2017 - 22:18:01
To whomever thought it would be acceptable to post with these "ghost" moniker signatures: It is NOT, and these posts while in general containing perfectly fine and valid content, WILL be removed due to obvious rule violations, ok? If those posters wish to redo them with their regular signatures, it would be appreciated. Some may think that's being too harsh but I have my limits and this is definitely exceeding them.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Fri 03/10/2017 - 22:01:43
Barry, Going back to the conversation we had about Lorraine, daughter Jane says I had it correct!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 03/10/2017 - 19:49:07
Within this 10 day plus of a kaleidoscope of nostalgic events there were some interesting Letters to the Editor of the Chatham local news at the same time. Mr. Todd Kelly's comment "through attrition the community of Chatham is vanishing." And its main street is being transformed into an upscale facade.

State senator Julian Cyr was asking for more community involvement by taking 1 tangible action and make a positive contribution

Obviously the past cannot be replicated because it belongs to a different place in time.

As an example to the Senator's suggestion, all you commenting folks, could take a photo or two (if you have not done so already) and contribute/co ordinate a program to the Historical society. This, for an even more personal demonstration of what life was like in the 50's and 60's.

Yes, I also remember the 1950 Commercials of Detroit which started with "In the USA" called out by Mr. Kelly as well as Rt 66. Ford and Chevy still exist, they almost became facades. Some of you have presented a legacy for Chatham to be remembered, but pardon me, I think can to more than just calling our remembrances in this chat room, John's room is fine, but many of you could quite easily expand upon what you recall in a more formal way if you worked as a team.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 03/10/2017 - 14:13:49
Richard, Uncle Roscoe was an interesting guy. Besides the bike shop and being a telephone operator he also was a fireman, Deputy Forest Warden, Truant Officer,Constable, Chairman of The Board of health, [the last two elected]. And he drove a school bus a plowed snow with his Jeep. And he smoked cigars. He had a row of hats in his backroom and would grab the appropriate one on his way out the door.I would like to see your Gould genealogy stuff someday.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/10/2017 - 13:35:28
Paul Newman owned a house in East Orleans off Beach Rd. in the development on the south side of Mill Pond, I believe.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/09/2017 - 21:52:52
Ross Gould, Roscoe, Wayne , and myself are all Gould's. Nothing to be ashamed of, but certainly aware of. I have the Chatham Gould genealogy pretty well nailed down
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 19:26:58
Ron: Dad told me that years ago he went to a party at Charlie Melbye's house. Going downstairs, he noticed a guy who looked familiar. He asked if the man was Paul Newman and sure enough it was. Apparently he was there with Jackie Crossman.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 18:23:38
I stand corrected. Thanks Barry. Guess I'll just wait for a post about Ross Gould stories, and then repost! Surely there are some other stories to be shared there...and I thought my memory was actually quite good, considering...sigh.
Bill
MO USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 18:08:03
Bill, you are referring to Ross Gould, not the Roscoe Gould that Richard was talking about.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 17:22:03
My 1st job was at Sad Sacks... Had to get working papers to work there thru Mr Alcock who was our guidance counselor at Chatham High... Also the only job I was ever fired from for asking for my pay
Keith Hammond <khamm67731@bellsouth.net>
Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 17:00:53
John What the hell is wrong with my post. please contact me!
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 14:12:19
In the early 70's I lived for a spell in Spaulding's windmill. I worked for my cousin Rob Napier and Bob Walsh at the M.P.B.Y. Roscoe was there quite frequently. He explained to me one time that a particular outboard wouldn't run because it didn't have any "chumph". Nailed it! I also remember being impressed with the lift right in his living room!
Bill
MO USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 09:27:37
Richard, our number was 774-M and my grandmother's was 71-J.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/08/2017 - 09:21:50
My Dad, Wallace Dexter was a night operator at the Old Harbor Tellephone office probably in the 1920s. After Pratt Institute, it led him into several US patents and a lifelong career with ITT International. A life-long lover of Chatham after childhood at Marianna Harding's and the depot driver for CBI. Wonderful memories.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 03/07/2017 - 21:40:48
The Town of Chatham has come a very long way from when the primo Fire Truck (Engine #?) was housed in the subject building. I think the engine was visible from the street, through windows, parked headed West.

Anyone have any Roscoe Gould stories? He had a small Jeep with a siren mounted on a fender, (I think he was the original "first responder".) sold bicycles, and was the "night operator" at the telephone office just down the street from his home on Old Harbor Road. Slept on a cot, he did, while on watch at the telephone office.
Back then. Earle Hunt, (Verne's Dad,) the undertaker, had number One. Ours was 449R.
Numba Please?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/07/2017 - 17:50:41
I have been told that the Eldredge Garage will be torn down on 3-8-17 around 7-730am
Don St. Pierre <lobsteringdstp@comcast.net>
N Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/07/2017 - 14:34:56
It looks like they are doing something to the front porch of Cookware, more benches? Or just painting away the moldy finger prints?
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 03/07/2017 - 09:06:35
Speaking of celebrities back then, Gordon MacRae and his family were staying at the CBI cottage next to the golf course when Dana Johnson (anyone seen him lately?)decided it would be a great idea for a bunch of us to serenade him at a very late hour - we gathered on his porch and started in on "Oh what a beautiful morning" when instead of asking us to leave or calling Rod Macdonald, Gordon and his wife Sheila came out to join us - they obviously had imbibed as much as we had (if not more) and joined in singing - that led to his bringing out more beers and a very memorable party on the porch - fun times
Ben H
USA - Mon 03/06/2017 - 22:16:42
Ron.. As I remember, Willard would lay the chicken on the table in front of him fast asleep and after a short time Willard would slam his hand down on the table and the chicken would fly into the audience.
Gordon PRATT
USA - Mon 03/06/2017 - 10:49:18
They also auctioned off "the best seat in the house."- a toilet seat!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 03/06/2017 - 03:51:53
As part of the entertainment during his auctions, Willard Nickerson Sr. (my grandfather) would put a chicken to sleep.
Ron Farris <wa1rf@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/05/2017 - 22:23:58
The theatre used to issue season passes to Paul Newman and Robert Redford. I never saw Redford come in but I did see Newman...don't remember what the movie was. Newman would come to Chatham to visit ex Army buddie Jackie Crossman. We also saw Cliff Robertson and his wife Dina Merrill several times. They used to vacation in September, staying at the Wayside.
Ron Farris <wa1rf@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/05/2017 - 22:17:52
Bruce and I are in the Chronicle's photo of the Wayside employees in the 1950's.
I have a framed copy of it on my den wall. I recognize most of those in the picture. .Many of the waiters were summer college kids who worked there. Saturday night's baked beans (homemade) and ham supper was priced at 99 cents or $1.25 and that may included homemade Indian Pudding or ice cream for dessert...can't remember for sure. Anna Olson Woodland

Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sun 03/05/2017 - 14:01:14
Haven't heard from John Hallgren in quite awhile. Hoping he'll post an indication that all is well.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/04/2017 - 19:47:59
Country store was held in the basement of the Methodist Church before it move to the theater. I attended several. Harold Tuttle was the host and a lot of fun.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/04/2017 - 16:14:56
Does anyone remember the County Store raffle that they had at the theater? My Grandmother won an Admiral t v once.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/04/2017 - 13:48:55
There were multiple uses for the Chatham Theater back in the 30's and 40's... Such as Town Meetings, Auctions with Willard Nickerson as the auctioneer. Minstrel shows and high school graduations and on certain Saturday matinees if you brought a canned good you got in free....
Gordon Pratt
USA - Sat 03/04/2017 - 13:34:07
What a shame that beautiful old house was just left down back to be destroyed. There was another beauty on the opposite corner where Ho Jos was and fortunately that was moved to Doane Road. Mrs. Hanks was the owner and she rented it for many years to Bob Erickson and his family. I believe Dick Rochette eventually bought it and his family lived there in the 70s. And there were two gorgeous old homes where the new Cumbies is today. They were torn down some time in the 50s. And then we had Nadja Johnson's with the purple trim. Do not remember when that one was torn down....Lotta great homes succumbed to make way for other "stuff."
Carol Kelley
USA - Sat 03/04/2017 - 09:39:37
Wayne, that old house was on the corner where the bank is today. It was owned by Ralph Guida at the time it was moved behind the movie theater. I and many other kids who played all over and inside that house broke every window in it.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/04/2017 - 07:08:16
Finding redeemable bottles scattered around the CBI and other places certainly were welcome additions to my limited income. Cut grass for Mrs Aurelia Jones, my grandmother on Bar Cliff Avenue, and the other Mrs Jones next door to Reb's place. Towed the mower behind my bicycle. That bike I bought brand new from Roscoe Gould with $ I had earned doing whatever it took to make a dollar. Like emptying Sammy Morgans cat litter box once a week. Ew.
At graduation, I was deemed the most mercenary. Things haven't changed much, as I now redeem ink cartridges at Staples. And still collect cans and bottles in the summer from neighboring rental houses after the tenants leave at ten.
Yes, 12 cents was the admission fee to the movies.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 20:23:16
I remember a handsome Wayside Inn waiter when I first came here in 1959. I recognized him in a Chronicle "Remember When" photo last week. Pictured front and center with fellow Wayside employees was Eddie Doane.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 20:21:10
Does anyone else remember the old house that sat on cribs out behind the movie theater for a long time? I think it came from the corner of Stage Harbor Rd. and Main St. We use to go play in it after the Saturday afternoon movie. I think it come from where the bank is now.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 19:54:00
I believe this site honors posts relating to past AND present.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 19:40:09
Thank you folks for getting back to what this site is for. What a delight.
Bruce
WA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 18:38:17
If you walked down Old Harbor Rd you could usually find 6 soda bottles which could be cashed in at the A&P for the 12cents needed for the matinee.
steve
Falmouth, USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 16:26:03
I remember riding my bike downtown on Saturday afternoon with a 25 cent piece and that got me a ticket and popcorn.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 15:58:27
Pretty sure I've posted this before but the latest Orpheum memories brought them all to mind again..."That Darn Cat, The Ghost & Mr. Chicken, What's Up, Doc?" All great Main Street, Chatham movie experiences.
Melissa
USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 13:03:52
When I was about 8 or 9, a bunch of us would go to the movies and bring a big bag of marbles. The floor of the Orpheum slanted down from back to front and, during an intense love scene, someone would spill the bag of marbles which would pick up speed and sound as they rolled down the hill. Theodore Bearse would come and we would say we had no idea what happened. I think he knew who did it and would watch us carefully for a year or so. Long, long ago.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 11:44:44
Back in the day - the movie theatre had no A.C. Instead, we had a big squirrel cage fan that used to blow air into the theatre. Charlie Lake used to burn his garbage in a 55gal drum out back of his house. One summer evening, the smoke drifted toward the theatre - we were running the fan. The place filled with smoke - people started running out thinking the joint was on fire. Fun times!
Ron Farris <wa1rf@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/03/2017 - 10:43:13
When I was in 8th grade Sack trusted me enough to work for him. I can remember cooking a hamburger for someone......but did not cook the burger enough. And not being smart enough to shut the juke box off as it played the same song over and over and over and over! A Betty Ann special was a small banana split for kids named after a little girl who lived at Kendall Green down the street whose father was running the Shavings Shop.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 03/02/2017 - 13:39:25
And in that same building on the far East end was Durkeys Meat Market..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 03/02/2017 - 11:26:44
And next to The Dutch Oven was Charley Lakes store where we bought our fire works every year.. Oh YES those were the days !!!!!!
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 03/02/2017 - 10:58:40
Ate at Sad Sack's many times. Also, the Dutch Oven many times.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/01/2017 - 22:40:42
Talk about going back in time, who in this ChatMRoom ever ate at the place across the street from what eventually became Igo Toabe's house on Old Harbor Road.? AKA -Sad Sack Snack Shack.?
Us Ryder kids bought chocolate covered bananas there as well as really good cheeseburgers. It was diagonally across the street. "Sack" smoked cigarettes as he cooked. Probably today wouldn't pass health inspections.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/01/2017 - 19:58:16
Does anyone remember if Calder's Antiques took up the entire space of Chatham Cookware or was it bigger? I can't remember. I was also wondering if anyone remembers the name of the little cafe on the right with the gingham tablecloths on the right in High Wheeler Square? After it was gone - there was a tropical fish place owned by Bill O'Brien .
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/01/2017 - 18:59:16
Yes, they were good friends for sure.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 19:39:20
You're probably right Nancy, but I think she was brought up by the Coombs', at any rate, she and Priscilla were good friends.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 18:55:33
Barry-Wait a minute-Lorraine's maiden name was Perkins-from Sanford, Maine! The Coombs you are thinking of lived on Main Street downtown and had a daughter Priscilla. Correct? Priscilla was married to Bob Jones who was lost at sea.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 18:38:13
Nancy;I believe that you missed another name of your stepmother.I think she was born as Mildred Lorraine Coombs,(father's name Luther),Clayton Ryder.Correct me if if I'm wrong.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 13:12:17
My mother... Harriet Louise Howes Eldredge Pratt... She never used her first name just Louise...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 09:44:15
As I mentioned, we are not doing nicknames now. Right Wayne? As for the women, that is a tough one but my stepmother was M. (Mildred) Lorraine Clayton Ryder. There must be others.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 09:33:48
Pickwick- Roger Nickerson
Rufus- Harold Bassett
Pork Chop- Harold Nickerson
Poggie- George Johnson I think?

Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 08:36:33
I stand corrected, Tacks name was Warren. Must be getting old. How about the ladies? Many had nicknames too!!
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/28/2017 - 08:05:48
Edmund Melson Webster Ned was Junior.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 21:08:40
Nancy, It was Edmund, don't know why he did not use it. Bye the way Richard Ned Webster is sill known as Ned not was. Bill, yup, you got them right. Oh, Richard, I am thinking on the WOMEN names.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 20:07:25
We just learned last month that the Ormon brothers who run Olivers restaurant in Yarmouth/Dennis are actually grandsons of Frank and Ruth, who owned a house behind the now Squire. Frank and Ruth were very friendly with our Aunt Dorothy and Uncle Reed Wheeler. Reed (and twin brother Ray) from School Street in Chatham. Last house on the right.
Frank was well known to us Ryder boys for "teeing it up", even at work at the A&P (next to the Orpheum Theater) as a butcher. He was not the only butcher fond of rum and cokes back then.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 19:49:38
Nancy. His son was known as Ned Webster, so maybe he was Ed vs Ned?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 19:38:53
Did any Chatham WOMEN have any unusual names? Other than their given ones? Not nicknames.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 19:36:28
Wayne, Stephen and Francis. Yes? Sp.?
Bill
MO USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 19:31:57
Wayne, Do not know his first name, just know it was E. Melson Webster.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 18:11:20
Alan you are OK just stick to Chatham. Well, nobody took a shot at Mell Webster so how about Art Gould and or Spaulding Dunbar.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 17:53:39
Philosophical pontificating I guess that was directed towards me. I 'll say no more.
alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 16:37:40
Tack's real name was Warren. I sold him my 1940 Ford coupe just before I went in to the Navy in 1959. He paid $35 for it and I presume it died a natural death on Monomoy. Used a quart of oil to go to P'Town and back.
I know a lot of nicknames, but not too many first names that are different from the given name.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 15:36:33
As it was at it's inception, let us all keep reminiscing about the old time Chatham and its characters! Philosophical pontificating seems off the track.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 15:32:00
Cape Cod Alice, All those names you mentioned are nicknames and not what was asked of us. Tack was not Walter. That was his brother Walter who fished with my father David Ryder for many years.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 13:12:26
My favorite.....Shake, Rattle and Roll.....plus .....Rock Around the Clock........loved the 50s.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 12:09:29
I am not very smart, so I have to keep things very simple. I graduated in the lower half of my high school class, something I am not proud of. Heck, I remember in my 6th grade class, the Nun said to me that if I catch you cheating, I am going to take 10% off your grade. I whipped out my text book with the reasoning, the 90 score would be better than anything I would get if I took the exam. Never mind, one thing this room should not be is English 101.

Many here like to delve into "yesteryear" and there is certainly nothing wrong with this, Indeed do it myself. However, if what you did yesterday seems big, than you haven't done anything today.

Above all else is Attitude and it filters down. Attitude is is effected by what people say and do. Judith and Judy, I like what you put up. and I believe you make the right Choices. George you have the right passion, but I do not agree with what you see as the facts-all the time.

I guess in the end, it has become more like this lately: When all is said and done, more is said then done.

In Jerusalem, I walked the path of Christ and saw where the last supper occurred, it woke me up, those gospals came to mean more to me. One should review what John 3-16 suggested, it may help

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 11:39:11
Using my wifes email as she wanted me to take part. Other names include, Boob, Ham, Pork Chop, Hungry, Poggie, Rufus, Pickwick, Tacks real name was Walter and his heart was on his right side. When he was young, every time he lit a smoke he would say it was another tack in his coffin.
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 11:29:54
"Bill" Ginther?
RichardW
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 09:42:54
Steve, you're right it was Irving. How about another, Mell Webster?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/27/2017 - 09:18:12
How about Dink, Tack, Willie Dip Net, Hungry, Poor Dave. Brother Bob has a much longer list for sure.
And, who told me, "Dave Ryder won't be coming in this afternoon cuz he's gone to Nantucket for a load of rabbits?"

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 20:20:52
Donald "Bud" Kastner
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 20:18:52
Irving "Bud" Henderson ?
steve
Falmouth, USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 20:07:15
Good stuff Carl, nice change of pace. On another note there were a number of old timers in Chatham that did not use their real first names, not nicknames but other names. Let's find out who knows and start with "Bud Henderson"
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 19:31:40
Perhaps appropriate to a lot of people on this site...I Did It My Wayj
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 19:15:55
Actually, I really liked Sinatra, Louis Armstrong, Grace Kelly and others in the movie filmed along the CT coast I guess. It was "High Society", right?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 19:15:31
Idid it my way. Case Corrected per John.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 19:12:19
My Kind of Town
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 18:51:35
Carl, "Nancy With The Laughing Face".....surprised?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 16:27:25
Fly me to the Moon.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 15:19:42
Thank you Emily!

Now what was your favorite song by The Chairman of the Board?

Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 14:57:04
My favorite.....Shake, Rattle and Roll.....plus .....Rock Around the Clock........loved the 50s.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 14:18:39
What did Bill Haley and the Comets sing?
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 10:42:10
With the exception of the 2/19 disrespectful post (which should have been deleted), I think that most posts have followed the rules outlined above.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/26/2017 - 07:52:26
It's sad to see the sudden decline of this room when it used to be so refreshing and fun over the years - I guess it relates to the post-election attitude which has polarized everyone in the worst way coupled with the personal challenges faced by our moderator so that he is no longer capable of even reasonable enforcement - several people and anonymous posters should have been immediately thrown out or banned for what they wrote - John has the power to do that and it would clean up the room and put us back where we used to be but he is too nice a guy so he wimps around about various rules which no one understands or respects - bottom line, this room is collapsing into a collection of attacks when it used to be so much fun - Jim P, Carl, John W, Richard hardly ever post anymore because when they do they are ignored and the discourse immediately switches to local selectmen politics and vicious attacks - I have memorized both sides of that West Chatham access issue - How many times do I have to hear the same people say the same things? Go back 5 years on here and you'll see what I mean - I get it please find a separate forum for the local politics and personal attacks - restore this room to what it used to be - John works so hard to maintain it but he obviously is no longer capable of enforcing it or he would have cleaned it up long ago
Ben H
USA - Sat 02/25/2017 - 23:13:39
I'm definitely not aware of any discussions. After all that's gone into this, I'll be extremely disappointed if something happens to derail the project.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 22:04:37
Don't be so sure of yourself Debbie - you apparently aren't aware of the latest discussions
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 22:01:21
The chips have fallen! It's called 100% design. I and many others are anxiously looking forward to being able to make a safe left turn out of George Ryder Rd. and Barn Hill Rd..
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 21:48:41
Judith, I didn't mean to ignore you. Intentional or not, your post suggested to me and may have suggested to others that I had something to do with the "cheesy attack ad."
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 20:47:05
Judy, I wholeheartedly agree with you that it would be great if folks would move on and let the chips fall where they may. However, the same group of WC roadway project opponents (you know who they are) attend virtually every MPO meeting and plead with the MPO to quash or delay the project. If you are interested, I would be happy to send you some of their recent submissions, including the 8-page submission of one of Chatham's selectmen.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 20:41:04
The people have voted on this issue years ago and made their wishes known. Please refer to Elaine Gibbs excellent ketter in this week's Chronicle calling out Rick Leavitt and his numerous inaccurate comments. Let the chips fall where they may and let's move on George . How about this weather in February folks?
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 20:23:24
Check out the article in the CCT today about a roundabout to be installed on Route 28 in Cotuit to relieve congestion. It's being recommended by the Cape Cod MPO and will cost about $5.5 to $8 million. After a year+ study by the MPO and only two public meetings there was community buy-in. It obviously has different issues than West Chatham, but it is evidence that the MPO and MassDOT have embraced roundabouts for control of congestion.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 20:08:46
George: When Tim first ran for office, it was he who said he was "in the propaganda business". He was proud of what he did. Some people liked it, some didn't.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 20:04:00
Judith, I considered this past post of yours to be "mean."
Another, cheesy attack ad being distributed in Chatham. ANONYMOUSLY, of course. But it has the same fingerprints as the last one. Tim Roper declared himself to be in the propaganda business when he ran for office. Some things never change do they George? It appears "Steve Harding" is having no trouble earning a living.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 19:53:00
I believe just one person, "Mike S." whoever he might be, made a disparaging comment about Tim Roper's passing. So it would be a mistake for anyone to think there are so many "mean-spirited" people in Chatham based on comments in this chatroom. Fortunately, I think the mean people are the exception. Not sure it's best to ignore them or their insults, but sometimes it's best to take the high road and remember they have garnered little respect in this town.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 13:09:13
Richard - you are absolutely correct. Its sad to see how nasty some of these people are in this forum. The Chat-room was never intended to be a place where people could spew their venom on others and hide behind fictitious names. It was set up to be a place where folks could discuss intelligently Chatham then and now - not maliciously. Unfortunately the folks that seem to do most of the name calling are ones that were unfortunate enough to not really know the Chatham that the majority of us are familiar with.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/24/2017 - 06:25:51
I may have gone over the line on some of my entries in the past.
However.
Never to denigrate a deceased person.
I would encourage anyone who might have photos or second or third hand info about the German sub attack on barges offshore of Orleans to kindly consider sharing them with the Orleans Historical Society. The anniversary is coming up.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/23/2017 - 17:51:07
Didn't realize there are so many mean spirited people around, especially in Chatham. Hopefully they are in the minority.
Mr. Roper's obituary and Dana's do not show up on the usual site, so it is kind of hard to learn much about them from a distance.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/23/2017 - 17:39:58
Judith, Are you Mike S?
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/23/2017 - 17:20:16
Sadly Judith, you also thought a certain S. Harding was someone no longer with us. RIP Tim
George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/22/2017 - 17:06:29
Jimmy D. unless you have proof, I think I know who Mike S. is, and he's not Seth Taylor.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/22/2017 - 16:27:35
Apparently Mike S. is Seth Taylor. Disappointing but not surprising.
Jimmy D
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/22/2017 - 14:39:37
Enjoyed her contributions for years. Condolences to her family and friends.
Melissa
USA - Wed 02/22/2017 - 12:50:39
Dana Eilers a contributor to these forums has passed away.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/22/2017 - 09:09:15
Dana Eilers a contributor to these forums, I believe her obituary is on the Nickerson Funeral Home site. She passed away February 18, 2017
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/22/2017 - 08:33:48
Seriously. Can we no longer have differences in opinions without hatred...even in death???? Humanity defies definition nowadays.
Melissa
USA - Mon 02/20/2017 - 09:40:08
Mr. Roper
A short prayer for you, taught to me by a Nun when I
Was in the first grade, May the Holy Ghost Enlighten You

alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 02/19/2017 - 22:20:58
Mike S: totally lacking in class and common decency.
Amy
USA - Sun 02/19/2017 - 19:13:08
Regardless of anyone's thoughts - I do feel bad for his family and it is crass to make inappropriate comments regarding someone's death.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/19/2017 - 18:46:22
Mike S.
What's wrong with you? A man has passed, his family and friends are in mourning and you make a miserable comment. You define nasty.

Steven Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/19/2017 - 18:31:45
So Roper passed eh?
At least the town won't be subject to his nastiness anymore.

Mike S.
USA - Sun 02/19/2017 - 18:19:53
"The last mosquito that bit me had a hangover for a week." As seen on a tee shirt this morning.
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Sun 02/19/2017 - 14:56:10
We have another selectman candidate, Shareen Davis. Great!!!
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/17/2017 - 16:30:48
Kreme and Kone is open for weekends. . summer is around the corner!!!!!!
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/17/2017 - 13:57:13
What a nice time we had out to lunch with our Lurker friend and wife yesterday.
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Fri 02/17/2017 - 09:20:31
Roger awarded the trophy but then ran off the stage like his pants were on fire
Tony Murphy <redcat23@verizon.net>
W Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/16/2017 - 20:50:13
Roger Goodell decided not to award it this year.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/15/2017 - 17:14:36
Does anyone know who won the most recent Vince Lombardi trophy?
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Wed 02/15/2017 - 12:12:28
How'd ya'll make out from the storm? Anyone left? Did the Cape break off and head to Europe..?
JimP
USA - Wed 02/15/2017 - 06:17:45
I know. Should have check my spelling.
Don St. Pierre <lobsteringdstp@comcast.net>
N Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/11/2017 - 09:51:41
Two years ago I asked all of you if you had any items that you acquired from the Pendleton for the Atwood Museum. Much to my delight, I got some great stuff. Because Feb 18 is the 65 anniversary, they will be keeping the display up for a third year. I am still looking for new items. Call me at 508-945-1969. On Feb 18 the Atwood Museum will be holding a fund raiser showing a Disney film staring some local people that were there that night. It runs from 3-5pm. The cost is $25.00. Please seaport YOUR great Museum.
Don St. Pierre <lobsteringdstp@comcast.net>
N Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/11/2017 - 09:45:55
As I just left the golf course at 88 degrees, I checked the Squire live video camera to see blue skies, a very clean Main St. and a busy downtown! Kudos to the DPW and/or the "brine" they put on the roads!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 02/10/2017 - 15:42:20
86 here in San Antonio yesterday. I thought about ya'll last night whilst sitting out on the porch and watching the gorgeous sunset. Then my beer started getting warm and I thought I'd best get another.

Hope you all get through this without injury. Nothing prettier than the beach after a snow storm.

JimP
USA - Fri 02/10/2017 - 06:23:46
I've seen lots of trucks out there coating the road surfaces before the storm! Great job Chatham DPW!!
Amy
USA - Thu 02/09/2017 - 07:56:49
I have many good memories having known Paul Lucus
and I find it sad to learn of his passing. He was a
Good Guy. RIP Paul.

Hal Arends
Lancaster, PA USA - Tue 02/07/2017 - 19:45:55
Incredible!!!
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 22:55:02
What a Super Bowl!!!
john whelan
USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 22:26:43
Good luck to the Patriots!
john whelan
USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 18:32:11
Speaking of eelgrass, check out on Google "Cabot's Insulating Quilt". Supposedly, Asian workers were hired to harvest eelgrass from the shores of Monomoy and the Hardings Beach area. Then, the stuff was shipped to Boston for washing and inclusion in the Cabot's Insulating Quilt. I have a sample of the Quilt, taken from a house in Wellfleet. Sort of early Tyvek, it was.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 17:56:49
Thank you Debbie, I do remember going to some kind of party there once! Barry went once too.
Barry and Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 17:15:12
I've discovered that Circle Hall, which was next to Wayne's property, was purchased by the VFW in 1954 and during that year it was moved to George Ryder Road.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 16:00:56
Ben H:
Grass and other marine life grows on the bottoms of craft that might not have enough paint or have been in the warm water too long. I guess Paul hauled his boat and so much growth was on the bottom he was called "Captain Eelgrass". Actually, eel grass doesn't attach itself to boats but grows from the ocean bottom. Like mini kelp.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 12:46:56
Ben, The article is in Feb 2 edition of Forever Young Supplement, Cape Cod Chronicle. The 'single' was only when I was recuperating from my broken arm and was much appreciated at that time.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 09:43:50
Chowderman. We would enjoy lunch again this year with you and Carol. Same lunch spot, same email, same phone #. We will be here until 3/11.
John
ME USA - Sun 02/05/2017 - 09:36:07
Great Paul stories but someone please enlighten me about "Captain Eelgrass" and the "Eelgrass Festival" - wasn't that Paul later in life? Where can I read the article about Chowdahman and does he still bring Nancy a single on the half shell?
Ben H
USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 22:53:07
In the 1930's my folks rented Sherm Sylvas house on Souzas circle. Joe Souza was the shop teacher back then at the Chatham High School... They owned the Priscilla House on the left as you drive into Souzas Circle now called Willow Bend.. If you drive all the way down the road you came to the Pratt house on your left then came Carroll Bearse and his wife Esther, next you would hang a left and drive to Joe and Pauline Lucas house where Paul and his brother lived.. My brother and I were always fighting with Paul and his brother..
Also, as you entered Souza's circle back then the first house on the right is where Thomas Rogers was killed by his mother.. She did not want Tom to go to war. She slit her wrists, sat in the bath-tub to die. The note on Tom's door read .." Do not enter without calling the Police and ambulance first.. Tommies father came running over to our house to get my father to help.. My father told us how he tried to remove the electrical cord from Tommies neck. I think that was the first murder in Chatham in the 1930,s.. Didn't mean to ramble on but that's the way it happened.

Gordon Pratt
USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 22:24:09
The street is called Willow Bend today and I think it was called that in the 60's. I remember Mr. and Mrs. Lucas and how nice they were when I delivered their mail. The great looking girls at the Priscilla House made any visit to that area exciting. Priscilla Silva was very protective and kept all of us at a distance. Paul Lucas was always a super guy. He will be missed.
john whelan
USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 20:10:40
Carl, I believe the street was Souza Circle, or at least that is what it was known as. As an aside, nice article about you in the Chronicle this week! Joe and Paul could not have been more different. Joe was so frightening to a young girl trying to walk to her grandmother's house on School Street. Paul was like a lamb in comparison. Brother John did not reveal how he was a starter on the CHS basketball team with Paul. Both sets of parents faithfully attended the games.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 17:18:17
Other rumblings on Paul. His older brother, Joe, put a crease in my chin outside of the Hallowell bowling alley. He was a good guard on the basketball team. My wife, Carol, rented a room from his parents, Pauline and Joe, across from Ken and Esther Haven and after Peg Falconer - can!T remember the street but on the left before the current hot topic Eldredge garage on the right. I took Brenda to the junior prom. I gave her the Kelsey photo a couple of years ago at Larry's Px.
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 16:31:30
That was a nice entry Lurker John. Lunch again this year ? Same place, same phone #, same email.
I agree with all of those who illuminated Paul's courage and determination to do his best and to urge his teammates to do the same. One of my fondest memories of Paul is when I went trap fishing with him on his boat and watched him walk the rail wearing rubber boots, a full set of oil skins,arms outstretched and balancing above the squid and black ink. I never saw a ballet dancer do it better!

Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 12:41:04
As a long time lurker I seldom add to the conversation, but feel that I should pass on what I remember about my good friend Paul Lucas.

He and I started school together in the first grade of Chatham Elementary, but I didn't really get to know him until we were in the Cobra Patrol of Boy Scouts. Somewhere in my stuff I have a photo of Paul, Paul Eldredge, Dick Haven, Gary Hackett (Brenda's older brother), Dick Totten and myself with loaded backpacks hiking along the old railroad bed from Depot Street to Mill Hill Lane where Doctor Keene owned a woodlot where the scouts frequently camped. He and I worked at several places to earn enough money to go to the 1950 Boy Scout Jamboree in Valley Forge, PA. Paul was a driven, tireless worker even at that early age. A 1949 movie "The Story of Seabuiscuit" about a race horse who worked hard to win the Kentucky Derby inspired us to give Paul the nickname "Seabuiscuit", later reduced to "Buiscuit".
In 1954 Paul was the starting center for the Chatham High basketball team. He wasn't tall, compared to other team's starters, but he was solid, husky, immovable, and determined. At home, presently not accessible to me, I have a clipping from the Cape Cod Times which describes a game that small school Chatham played against large school Barnstable. We came close to beating them in that game, but the article describes what an impact Paul had in keeping the game close. The best way to describe him is "a whirling dervish" as he played so hard to try to win.

John
ME USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 10:54:09
Wayne, There were three brothers in the James family.....Roland, Howard and Frank......
Carol Kelley
USA - Sat 02/04/2017 - 10:01:57
Paul Lucas was a tough competitor on the basketball court. He and the others mentioned played in the Community building, before the Veterans Memorial Gymnasium was built behind the Main Street School. Yes, he did marry Brenda.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/03/2017 - 18:30:54
If nobody remembers the VFW building having been moved to George Ryder Road, maybe it was already on the property when the Town gave the parcel to the VFW.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/03/2017 - 14:14:10
Wayne,
I was trying to remember Ben Buck's brothers name...Stephen. I know who Frank(Flutie) James brother was and his sisters too....
If my memory serves me right, there was a summer fish market and a little gift shop beside the Circle Hall. I don't remember it being that close to Barn Hill Road, I thought it was further down the street going towards town.

Carol Kelley
USA - Fri 02/03/2017 - 13:40:51
I only knew Paul briefly as a teenager - I remember him as the star center on Chatham's playoff basketball team back then with Rusty Silva, Ed Zbrat, Hal Arends, etc - Didn't Paul later marry Brenda Hackett and then become known as Capn Eelgras? Sure would enjoy some Paul Lucas stories!
Ben H
USA - Fri 02/03/2017 - 07:39:08
It is always sad when a noble man like Paul leaves us. Sympathy to Brenda and his family.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 21:53:46
Amen. Paul was one of the truest citizens this town has ever known.. contributed ever since being a young man in town. His whole family has done so much for the working and recreational people. Paul, I will miss you.
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 21:40:43
Very sorry to learn that Paul Lucas has died. He was one of the really good guys.
john whelan
USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 20:05:45
Debbie, next to the icon on the map, which is the same shape as the Circle Hall it also says "Hall". Works for me. Also I have very few old real photo postcards of that era. Carol, Frank James brother was Howard if that is who you meant.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 19:40:36
I know the answer! It was Stephen Gould Buck, bn May 1930.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 19:30:34
Anna, Priscilla Buck, Ben's sister, was married to Flutie James......There was another brother too, but my memory will not allow me to bring it forward in my tired old brain....
Carol Kelley
USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 18:57:37
Wayne, I'm sorry to have to mention this word of caution about the map. It may show a building there in 1907, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the Sewing Circle building. It's too bad there's no dated photograph of the site, as that might offer conclusive proof.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 17:56:32
To those interested in the V.F.W./ Circle Hall: I stopped by Maps of Antiquity today and Bob and I looked at some old maps and found the the hall was on Main St. in 1907 but not in 1880. It could have been somewhere else in 1880 and moved to Main St. at a later date. Also the town has a historical consultant named Eric Dray if you want professional help.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 15:22:21
Young Ben's mother was Florence Gertrude Bower.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 14:59:01
Ben Adams Buck was the father of the Ben Buck we knew Anna, and young Ben's mother was Gertrude ?, whose second husband was Harold Dunbar.
Barry and Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 14:25:31
Priscilla Bower Buck, born Feb. 1929, was the granddaughter of Luciena Buck. She had a brother, Benjamin Adams Buck, born Oct. 1927. He was named after his father. Priscilla married Frank James.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 14:23:55
Wayne: Was Ben Buck the son the Luciena Buck and did Luciena have a daughter named Priscilla? Anna
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 13:50:31
From "Birth Records in Chatham" I found the following children of Nathan Adams Buck and Luciene Frances Buck: Benjamin Adams Buck, bn April 1900 and Margaret Luciene Buck, bn September 1904. Note the different spelling for "Luciene".
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 12:35:00
Debbie, All I know right now is the building was there when I was a kid in the fifties. I am trying to find out if she had a son named Robert. As far as the age of the building goes most anyone who would know are no longer with us.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 11:48:00
Not according to the Registry of Deeds and an ancestry link. Luciena F. (Gould) Buck. Husband Nathan; grandsons Ben Adams and Stephen; granddaughter Priscilla. Also, there's a 1958 Registry entry for "West Chatham Sewing Circle".
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 11:41:31
Not Lucinda?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/02/2017 - 11:15:48
I discovered the correct spelling: Luciena Buck
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 22:55:55
Wayne, The important thing to know is how long the building had been on your great Aunt Lucina's property prior to being moved to George Ryder Road in 1965. Do you know the answer to that?
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 19:32:35
Wow. Some meaningful input.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 18:31:51
Carol and Wayne....THANK YOU!!! You have been a big help with this mystery. I will pass this on to the VFW people. Much appreciated!
Lisa Franz <lisa@chathaminfo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 15:57:30
Lisa, That part of the building was The West Chatham Circle Hall. It was owned by The West Chatham Ladies Sewing Circle. It was used by the people of West Chatham much as The South Chatham Village Hall is today. People would hold events there and there was always a Christmas party. It sat just East of what was the Weatherboard building on Main St. at Whelden Way. By the mid sixties there was a lot more to do and people lost interest in it and it was being neglected. My Great Aunt Lucina Buck had control and gave it to the V.F.W.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 15:35:26
The main part of the VFW building used to be on Main Street in West Chatham and the Christodelphians used it for a meeting place. They used to serve pot luck suppers there. I am a little sketchy about its exact location, but it was somewhere in the vicinity of Caroline Gould's home....where Wayne lives today.
I can remember it being there in the 40s and I am sure it goes back much further than that.....

Carol Kelley
USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 12:39:15
Thanks Mr. Dempsey. We had that info too. I should have said that. The problem there is that the historic building part was built before 1965. It was moved there in 1965 but we are trying to find out where it was before and try to date it. They had a local architect inspect the building and he verified that it was built way before 1930 because the rafters are of older wood but no one can seem to find out who owned it before, where the building came from, etc. That's why I am trying to find anyone who might remember more about the history. The Historical Society will try to work on it tomorrow but I posted here with the hope that someone might have a recollection of the place prior to when it was moved and placed in 1965.
Lisa Franz <lisa@chathaminfo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 11:40:33
The assessor's database says that the VFW building was built in 1965 and that the sale date was 21 Jan 1965. I looked at the Chronicle archive, but the only issue they have in the archive for 1965 is from Dec 1965. The first mention of the VFW hall in their archive is a fire there in 1967.

There must be people here who have memories before 1965.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 11:00:27
I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am working with the Chatham VFW to try to date their building. The VFW has no specific history as to where the house came from, its history, etc. It is their understanding that the original historic part of the building was moved to its current location on George Ryder Road from someplace on Old Harbor/Bridge Street area. I have contacted the Chatham Historical Society to try to help date it but they suggested that I post something here in case anyone knew anything that could help us in the right direction. Thanks for any help you can give us!
Lisa Franz <lisa@chathaminfo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/01/2017 - 10:13:32
I am traveling and sent message via a kindle,so it's not so easy to type and check

Anyways now e enjoying my new grand daughter born yesterday

alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 01/29/2017 - 08:52:24
Alan, I agree with BobR. I would be happy to exchange posts with you on the COI issues, but your posts need to be more coherent.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/28/2017 - 22:52:20
Alan, may I suggest reviewing your posts before hitting "post?"
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Sat 01/28/2017 - 19:44:24
I don't believe that $20 for two hrs would fly with visitors but something like the $3 per hr with a maximum of the same rate as other beach lots charge non-sticker vehicles given the proximity to Lighthouse Beach probably could work.
J. Hallgren (As User)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 01/28/2017 - 16:59:08
Where the purchase of the gas station is concerned, can anyone explain approx. how many registered voters there are in Chatham? I also believe that Judy P was headed in the right direction with her concerns about redaction.

One does not have to be out of touch with the total public even though it has suggested the were out of touch with the so called 90 per cent of the voting block that did vote.

And I were will give you this, if this purchased Ultimately ends up as a parking lot the average tourist will not be ripped off for a $20.00 two hour parking fee as suggested by one who encountered this at PT. I would rather walk or not go at all and at the very least,reduce my trips into town.

Finally, is this property being purchased on total speculation where funds are concerned? I was understanding there was no funds in the Chatham cash register. And as an example,in your own household, would you go out in spend $250,000 when you are already $250,000 in debt? On top of which most banks would not touch a property that was listed as such. This in combination with a ROI that is peanuts where the town charges across a 13-15 week season

The residents are not exactly on the art of the deal on this one.

alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 01/28/2017 - 15:48:50
seems to me that the WAC ALCC SAC were formed with the intent to have knowledable seamen who fully understand the challenges presented on a wide scoped basis, notlandlocked attorneys who begin to apply CMR 6.23 to every scenario that which arises. Bill P suggests "they may not particiPate in which they alone have a financial interest."
George seems to wish to hang Taylor Bros. For every decision they make which is obviously not the case. Thus if S.Taylor deliberated on decision that has a direct fin interest then clearly that has to be a conflict of interest and yes S TYlor should recuse himself. However to impose CMR 6.23 on every decision that either S Taylor brother or he makes is certainly not in the intent that the previous office officials had in mind, new pa?

So George there appears to be a spirit of the law that exists already in the case of the above comms.

alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 01/28/2017 - 14:27:45
Bill, I agree with you that the Waterways Advisory Committee as well as ALCC and SAC ought to be exempt under the example you quote from 930 CMR 6.23.

The problem I have with those Chatham committees is that there is no "legal requirement" (at least none that I have found) that exempts the fishermen/shellfishermen members of those committees from their obvious conflicts of interest.

The actual exemption of 930 CMR 6.23 states: "This exemption applies where a public board is legally required by statute, executive order, regulation, ordinance, by law, warrant article, or comparable legal requirement to have members who are affiliated with a specified entity, industry, constituency or stakeholder group."

What "statute, executive order, regulation, ordinance, by law, warrant article, or comparable legal requirement" exempts them?

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 20:40:00
So Judith, where can I see the ad?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 17:11:46
Mr. Fulcher: Have you seen the ad? If not, reserve comments.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 15:03:28
I love you're comment, John. About time someone put someone down.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 14:37:07
Also to the fisherman issue.


"Example where there is no violation: A municipal Shellfish Advisory Board has been created to provide advice to the Board of Selectmen on policy issues related to shellfishing. The Advisory Board is required to have members who are currently commercial fishermen. A board member who is a commercial fisherman may participate in determinations of general policy in which he has a financial interest common to all commercial fishermen, but may not participate in determinations in which he alone has a financial interest, such as the extension of his own individual permits or leases."

As to Dykens:

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 14:30:34
Let's stick to facts, not accusations.I believe the following exemption applies to Dykens.

Summary of the Conflict of Interest Law for Municipal Employees. A selectman is considered an employee under the law.

"There is also an exemption for both appointed and elected employees where the employee's task is to address a matter of general policy and the employee's financial interest is shared with a substantial portion (generally 10% or more) of the town's population, such as, for instance, a financial interest in real estate tax rates or municipal utility rates."

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 14:22:59
Haven't seen it, Judith. Please send me a copy.

Don't want to answer or engage on the WAC COI?

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 13:46:23
Just a reminder : Do not make assumptions as to who certain posters are, especially when I have what I consider enough proof that those assumptions are incorrect.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 13:15:44
Another, cheesy attack ad being distributed in Chatham. ANONYMOUSLY, of course. But it has the same fingerprints as the last one. Tim Roper declared himself to be in the propaganda business when he ran for office. Some things never change do they George? It appears "Steve Harding" is having no trouble earning a living.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 12:45:15
We paid 20 dollars at McMillan Wharf in P'Town after Labor Day last year to park. Going on a whale watch for a few hours. For instance.
RichardW
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/27/2017 - 11:22:31
Can anyone explain why commercial fishermen members of Chatham's Waterways Advisory Committee do not have conflicts of interests when they deliberate and vote on waterways projects, fees, policies and other matters in which they obviously have a financial interest?
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/26/2017 - 23:02:21
I think the Chatham powers that be will hopefully entertain the option that John Hallgren just described. As well as other options. Free Parking exists in Monopoly Games, but only if you draw the right card.
Visitors to Chatham EXPECT to pay for something like parking and are willing to do it. Parking fees would be the absolute smallest expense they incur in their visit.
Too bad Eastham doesn't control a municipal parking lot. It could help pay for the new multimillion $$ water system!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/26/2017 - 19:45:31
Here, on Clearwater Beach, the lots next to city beach charge $3 hr and lots a long block away (smaller ones) are $1.25 hr based on City web site. They use these pay station meters that dispense a ticket you put on dash and can take credit cards. http://www.myclearwater.com/home/showdocument?id=456 Gives info on them. Not sure how frequently they check car dashes for ticket stubs.
J Hallgren (as User)
Clearwater , FL USA - Thu 01/26/2017 - 19:29:13
Maybe meters at the EG would be best. No worries about staffing, etc. Just someone to be a "Meter Maid" or "Meter Man".
Having interactions with visitors at the Old Harbor Life-Saving Station at Race Point for the past 15 summers, most list Chatham as a "must see destination".

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/26/2017 - 16:57:23
Speaking of parking at Eldredge Garage has anyone else noticed the FedEx truck that has been there for a month now? You would think they would want to use it.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/26/2017 - 12:22:48
RE parking at the Eldredge Garage lot: Daytimes in the summer, the lot will be heavily used by beachgoers headed for the Lighthouse Beach area. Why not treat the lot the same as beach parking? During the day, you could park there with a valid beach sticker or by paying a daily fee; evenings and off-season parking (when people are shopping instead) would be free. I suspect that there will be lots of variations on this theme, but I agree that the facility should return some of the investment to the taxpayers.
Bob Fishback
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/26/2017 - 00:34:47
Judith: But that suggestion has a problem -- when those employees (or owners) are Chatham taxpayers. I don't know how often that would occur but one possible solution would be that taxpayers get something like two free hours per day but more than that would be at normal rate. Might be hard to accomplish that but with computerized meters/smartphones/app, seems possible to do. That would allow taxpayers who visit downtown for short time to use it free, but long term parkers would have to pay at an effective reduced rate.
J. Hallgren (As User)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 01/25/2017 - 00:00:48
Richard, your suggestion has been made by others, and I agree that a parking fee makes sense if a parking area is created. But, I think tax-paying residents should be exempt. We pay for so many Chatham attractions which do not necessarily benefit locals, free parking in one place makes sense to me. And I think if local businesses hope to have their employees park in a proposed lot, they ought to pay for the hours parked there.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 21:03:18
Great that the Town Meeting brought in over three hundred voters to determine the outcome of the Eldredge property. Even though the big building up the hill was the original repository of the first Fire Engine, it was apparently way beyond it's useful life.
It was either that or parking meters along Main Street.
Will there be a charge for parking at this new lot? Seems to me that the Provincetown Municipal lot should be a model for how to capitalize on visitor pockets. Their Lot garners over a Million Dollars annually in revenues. Just have to pay to staff a ticket booth.
And many times the lot is full!
Don't the folks in Chatham realize that their Town is a total tourist destination? You don't have to offer free parking any more. They will still come to visit.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 20:03:20
Judy, so you think Selectman Taylor "acts in the interests of the people." It was more than clear last night that he does not have a clue as to what the interests of the people are. A vote of 277-26 (91% in favor) on the Article 4 Eldredge garage purchase he opposed and a near unanimous vote on Article 7 he also opposed, tells me that, not only is he out of touch with the people of Chatham, he is uncharitable (along with Ms. Love).
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 15:19:11
I will remain anonymous as I cannot jeopardize my making a living by incurring the wrath of Mr.Taylor. It's also oddly entertaining, though sadly insightful, that you are more interested in the messenger than the message. Facts are facts regardless of who presents them.
Steven Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 14:16:47
Selectman Taylor opposed the tax payment because - as he informed everyone, the individual involved received a rather large distribution of the escrow payment. He wondered why she didn't use that to pay her taxes. I thought that was a fair question. In addition - regarding the garage - he stated the obvious - there were too many unanswered questions. How would it be developed in the future? What was going to go there? Who would decide what would go there. I respect the voters wishes - but I also think Mr. Taylor did a great job explaining that. Mr. Harding, as Wayne pointed out quite some time ago - there is no Steven Harding listed as a registered voter in Chatham. Why don't you just come clean and identify yourself?
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 12:41:08
Good Town Meeting. Voters focused on the positive not the negatives presented by the usual suspects. Eldredge Garage yes and relief for the homeowner who, due to acknowledged mistakes by the Town, can get back to working hard to take care of her family and volunteer for the town. Selectman Taylor opposed both articles. We need an elected official who reflects the best of the Town not the negative.
Steven Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 12:35:08
Sorry to hear about the passing of Barbara Cecchi. Coach & Four spoiled all fudge for me. Nothing compares. I wish I could buy it again (as well as Haven's bread and roast beef sandwiches!)
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 11:16:24
For those who remember Coach & Four Fudge shop on Main street for many years- Barbara Cecchi, the owner, passed away on the 20th.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/24/2017 - 09:13:21
OK Judy. Thanks for your comments.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 20:17:34
Long live Town Meeting in Chatham! I went to my first Town Meeting when I was 15. (1955) At that meeting, they voted to buy a Huber Road Maintainer.
I have subsequently bought that machine from Bob Dubis for parts to complete my 1951 machine.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 18:05:18
George - I guess it would be kind of like the West Chatham project then - where a blatant conflict of interest occurred. As I said in my earlier email - if there was a conflict - then they should recuse themselves. I along with countless others are very, very tired of you and Harding/Roper/et.al going after Mr. Taylor. You seem fixated on him - yet Mr. Dykens gets a pass on his votes on the West Chatham project - just because you favor that project? Aren't there more important issues you could devote your vast amounts of spare time on? Mr. Taylor at least acts in the interests of the people - unlike the behind closed doors actions and mentality that so many of you seem to thrive on. I'm not commenting on this anymore - sorry to disappoint you. I have made myself sufficiently clear on conflicts of interest regarding the Selectmen. Time for town meeting.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 17:39:00
Judy, I'm not sure what you mean by "if there is a conflict of interest" or "if TRUE." Do you disagree that Mr. Taylor's has a conflict of interest when he votes to spend $1.5 million to acquire the Eldredge trap dock to specifically provide an alternate place for Chatham's commercial fishermen to offload their catch if the Fish Pier is not available? How is that not in the financial interest of all Chatham commercial fishermen? If you are not sure, would you like more examples?
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 17:20:53
George - if there is a conflict of interest - I totally agree with you. They should recuse themselves. No discussion here - in agreement - if TRUE.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatam, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 10:43:13
Judy, back to conflicts of interest. Don't you think Mr. Taylor has multiple conflicts of interest when he deliberates and votes on waterways matters in which his commercial fisherman brother, Peter (2016 commercial fisherman Permit ID 108947), has a financial interest? The waterways user fee being one of the most recent. As you know, under the conflicts laws, a "financial interest" need not be a financial benefit; it can also be a financial detriment.

What about the waterways projects (Articles 20-22) Selectman Taylor deliberated and voted on in the 2016 ATM Warrant? Didn't all commercial fishermen, including Peter Taylor, have a financial interest in those acquisitions/projects? Mr. Dykens alleged COI pales in comparison to all the actual and potential COIs of Mr. Taylor.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 10:16:06
Alan - they did not provide an explanation as to the elimination of an entire section of the P&S Agreement. Item #40 was redacted with no explanation. If people want to vote on something without making themselves available to the facts so be it.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatam, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 09:57:54
I agree with Debbie, and trust Fincom. I will be there to vote YES!!
George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 09:14:56
Judy. Fyi in most jurisdictions when govt redacs they are required by law to provide an explanation for each redaction as to why they did.
alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 08:39:24
I have faith in the Finance Committee, which voted 8-0 in support.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 07:29:28
If anyone wants a copy of the purchase and sales agreement prior to the Town Meeting please email me. Too many questionable items in it. Think about what could happen where this information is redacted. The merchants should have stepped up and left the developer out of this.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/23/2017 - 06:51:26
I am with John on all this. If it about Chatham it is pretty much okay if it is not it's not!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 20:26:34
Let's have a big turnout for the Special Town Meeting tomorrow.
john whelan
USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 19:30:37
John: How' bout banning uncivil, derisive, childish name calling in this room?
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 18:22:05
JimP: You're welcome and while I didn't see any ugliness yet as I think my users are above that, i just didn't want to take any chances...
On side note, I would like to tell you off-line about a interesting connection to someone that i recently found out about but don't have a way to contact you...so..can you call me (or email but not ideal with my vision), please?

J. Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 18:03:56
Ok.message received. I remember at the movies in Chatham, 12 cents for the matinee. Seeing the films of Movietone News when President Truman came on the screen, the paid attendees booed.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 17:59:49
Thanks John. Let's keep the ugliness out of the room.
JimP
USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 17:51:41
Just a reminder which I dislike having to post but was forced to:
The prior five+- posts deal with national politics and thus are outside the clearly defined limits of this site. I know folks may want to discuss it but this isn't the place for it...there are other sites that allow it, but I don't in order to maintain some civility here and keep the focus on Chatham/Cape issues.
So please refrain from further postings about this topic and don't be surprised if those posts get removed at some future time.
thanks much!

J. Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 17:46:50
Please folks try to remember this the Chatham chatroom not the U.S. political chatroom! There are other places for that so take it there.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 17:42:44
I prefer to LISTEN to the folks on NPR. And read the local paper. I don't watch ANY TV.
Jim P:
Given the worldwide demonstrations yesterday, not orchestrated by anyone specifically, "Just fine" will be a term that may come back to haunt you. Behind what "curtain" do you refer to? Inquiring minds wish to know how to lift the bottom of the curtain for a peek.. Please provide curtain access info. Unless of course it has been censored.
Retired Navy guy.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 17:28:28
and to what "free press" are you referring...??? CNN and Donna Brazille? ABC and Lester Holt..?? CBS and little Georgie Streptococcus?

I don't think it is me that needs to pay attention. You might want to look behind the curtain and see who's been pulling the strings. It's enlightening.

JimP
USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 16:16:38
Jim: If the attacks on our free press yesterday and this morning, are any indication of what we expect in the coming years, things will not be "just fine". Pay attention.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 14:38:38
Richard, we survived the last eight years; we'll get through this just fine.
JimP
USA - Sun 01/22/2017 - 08:55:42
Amazing the number of demonstrations AROUND THE WORLD in defiance of the events of yesterday.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/21/2017 - 20:05:04
I agree with Debbie and hope that folks come to vote on Monday night. I am totally against this purchase. If one bothers to read the Purchase & Sales agreement on the Town website you'll see why. There are too many redacted comments of which we will never know the contents. In addition, there are still way too many unanswered questions. I think it's a shame as we definitely need the parking - and my belief, and this is my belief only - although I do know others agree - the Eldredge family is getting the major shaft in this agreement. They have made a decision of which I respect; however, I hope this vote does not pass.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/21/2017 - 16:29:01
I regret the unfortunate misinterpretation of my remarks. I didn't bring up the West Chatham project, and I suspect that subject is no longer an issue for most people. Hopefully, Chatham voters reading this will come to town meeting Monday night and vote favorably on the purchase of the Eldredge Garage property.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/21/2017 - 15:28:55
Again, Anna and Judy P- you've done well for the people to call out this issue and indeed it is an ethics issue! And Debbie A- "thanks Judy Seriously" now that has to be the quote of the day.

Debbie A- in your own response to Anna, you are suggesting that Chatham does not need any kind of law on the books like Anna has suggested. You further suggest that Chatham has in their system disclosures (Laws?) Which suggest that most officials with conflicts of interest, must disclose such information. Have they disclosed- When Where and How? And has any disclosure been made specific to this vote?

Debbie A, additionally whether someone benefits or they do not, your way ahead of yourself. This should never get this far into the equation with the facts presented. Whether this could be a Husband or Wife situation or if you wish a different example a Husband and someone's son-in-law with a different last name, I sorry to inform you Debbie, Most would see this as conflict of interest. Debbie- A- should this be conflict of interest, Chatham Ma. officials should they not Recuse themselves? Most Gov't policy in jurisdictions across the USA spell these relative situations out clearly and go far beyond the examples discussed here.
Alan

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 01/21/2017 - 14:20:26
Thanks Judy. Seriously.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 20:48:35
Debbie - for the life of me - seriously? The business benefit ?How about Mr. Dykens benefitting on the business? Good lord ! Your train of thought is interesting . I do agree with you in no point of debate - or arguing as in your case.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 20:46:40
So your thinking is that this business would benefit? That seems to go against opinions that businesses will fail because of the project. Oh, and I definitely do not care to point out other examples. No need for us to debate this.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 20:34:39
Debbie - Mr Dykens wife has a business there - surely you were well aware of that? He should not be involved in any discussion nor voting on anything pertaining to that. If any of the others have conflicts they should most definitely rescuse themselves. Perhaps you'd care to point out examples?
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 20:24:35
Judy, I'd very much appreciate knowing why you think that's a conflict of interest. Similarly, do you think it might be possible that other Selectmen have weighed in on issues that could benefit their family members?
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 20:18:26
Thank you for pointing that out Debbie. It's interesting that the chairman of the BOS has voted several times on the West Chatham Roadway project and issues that pertain to that. Guess he ignored the conflict of interest clause huh?
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 19:05:03
Anna, We have Conflict of Interest rules which dictate that, at a minimum, elected and appointed officials must make a disclosure of a potential conflict prior to participating in discussion and vote on issues before them. Better yet would be for them to recuse themselves.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 12:58:55
I don't know if this applies to Chatham elected/appointed officials or not....but the City Council where I now live is considering a proposal for stricter requirements in voting disclosures. The proposed change would mandate that real estate developers must divulge investors in their projects to ensure that no local government official has a conflict of interest before he or she votes on a zoning permit, change to the use of the site, etc. It's an ethics issue.
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 11:21:35
Now we have a censored entry point to the room?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Fri 01/20/2017 - 03:15:52
There were just the two children and their esteemed parents, living on Old Academy Road across from the Pratt's.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/18/2017 - 17:16:43
His sister, Sally died a while back. I'm not aware of any other relatives.
john whelan
USA - Wed 01/18/2017 - 16:38:56
By the way does anyone know if Ben had any close relatives. I think it is odd that he has been gone over two months and his car is still in the driveway.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/18/2017 - 11:56:46
R.I.P. Benjamin Bassett. Burial today at The Massachusetts National Cemetery in Bourne. Thank you for your service Ben and for being a good guy!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/17/2017 - 19:52:27
Negotiating narrow channels like in the upper reaches of Pleasant Bay, with different buoys, heading in to the sun, the tops of the red buoys are different from the tops of the green buoys. Just so you can tell them apart. One is peaked, one is flat.
The Eldridge Tide Book , still in publication, is a must read for any New England mariner. "Chart George" was born in Chatham. The book has to do with when the tides turn at various places around the Cape and the Vineyard.
In a slow moving boat, like the CG36500, the currents are " need to know" info.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/16/2017 - 20:10:49
Bob, there were TWO A&P stores in Chatham, presumably so that no other retail grocery chain could come in and challenge. Just like what Stop and Shop does now. They buy up places like Staggs Chevrolet, put deed restrictions on the parcel, and then let it hang out in the breeze.
I worked in the newer store next to what is now the former Cumberland Farms. Yes, I did go to visit the other A&P under the flight path for the Chatham Airport. Ethel Long was working there then. Wonder what ever happened to her?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/16/2017 - 19:57:49
What new store next to Goodspeed's Gulf? A&P moved to across the street from Meservey's, no?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Mon 01/16/2017 - 19:03:32
Jared, very appropriate response. "Red to the right returning..." Some people, in and out of this room, "Are on their way going out there."
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 01/16/2017 - 06:41:18
Carl, wouldn't an appropriate response to the Red Nun be the "Green Can"!
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Sun 01/15/2017 - 17:42:32
Actually, at the time, the Gulf Station was probably operated by Joe Avellar, Norma's husband. Not Ben Goodspeed. Gas was around 25 cents a gallon then. I waited many years before I could get a Gulf credit card. Traveling from Boston to VA as an enlisted man in the Navy in the 60's, I had to have a bunch of cash on hand if I couldn't find a station that I had a relevant gas credit card for.
VISA and MasterCard didn't exist then.
American Express? Forget it. I didn't make enough to qualify back then. Do now, but I can't be bothered with their arrogant and expensive business model. Don't need accumulated frequent flier miles to go to Hyannis.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/15/2017 - 17:25:43
Working at the A&P next to the Theater in the mid 50's, management had us lackeys spread used drain oil on the wood floors on Saturday nights. Never have forgotten the requirement that union dues were automatically deducted from our meager earnings.
Exploding watermelons in the basement? Who knew that improperly stored melons would explode and blow pink debris and black seeds all over the place ?
Or that partially consumed bottles of Coke in the butcher workspace would have rum added?
Moving to the new store next to Goodspeed's Gulf was a step up.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/15/2017 - 11:06:29
And my mission as the OO for the BNE was to hand a DEMO contract to Ivan Bassett after BNE bought the property. And yes ,I hated to see it go..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Sat 01/14/2017 - 18:52:25
Working at HoJo`s was my first job. I was tasked to mop the floors to get the grease up. Mission impossible!
Bruce
USA - Sat 01/14/2017 - 11:26:25
Richard, I did an article on Don and Howard Johnson's in the Chronicle about 6 years ago. Maybe it is time for another. John
john whelan
USA - Fri 01/13/2017 - 16:06:53
The smell of the frying foods from Rotary HoJo's would drift down Main street. It was one of my Chatham summer scents!!
Melissa
USA - Fri 01/13/2017 - 13:23:59
As a youngster I preferred the Howard Johnson's fried clam strips as biting into the squishy "belly's" of the regular clams made me squeamish.

Little known fact: in Japan this restaurant chain was known as ToJo's!

glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/13/2017 - 12:23:13
The BEST grilled hotdog with a coffee milkshake! We would stop in Western MA at the first HoJos to fulfill my craving when living in Illinois and traveling to Chatham. My mother's secret passion for Don 's fried clam rolls at the Rotary......Ahhh!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 01/13/2017 - 11:32:56
I heard Mike, who owns the two Red Nun Restaurants, is going to open a third restaurant and name it the Blue Priest and then follow that with a fourth named the White Virgin. That way he can advertise them as there twice as many nuns on Cape Cod as there are priests and virgins combined.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 01/13/2017 - 09:48:19
I have shared my HoJo memories in the past but every time someone mentions it...they come flying back: Oyster Pond swimming lessons followed by HoJo peppermint stick ice cream in a waffle cone. The sun melting it fast and catching the drips, keeping them from running down my hand. Pure delight.
Melissa
USA - Fri 01/13/2017 - 09:08:50
Speaking of Howard Johnson's locally, the Chronicle should do a story about Don St. Pierre's experiences managing the HOJo's at the Chatham Rotary. Like what? Who knew, unless you were here then.His story about serving fried scallops, despite company prohibitions, is very interesting.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/12/2017 - 21:00:55
Yes Glenn, it was a full Howard Johnson's restaurant. It is now Windsong Antiques. Owner, Sandy Hall ( former Harwich Selectman) would be happy to share the history with you.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/12/2017 - 13:55:52
Ok, back to the good ol' days. I've read there was a Howard Johnson's in Harwich at the junction of Routes 28 & 39. Was it a counter service or a full restaurant? Is the building still there?
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/12/2017 - 13:01:47
Alan:
Late January best.
Please email me.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 01/12/2017 - 05:13:25
Aha, the plot chickens.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Thu 01/12/2017 - 00:57:05
Carl:
Very nice gesture. I think that can be arranged (sometime during late Jan-into Feb.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 01/11/2017 - 20:02:51
Alan - I would like to meet you.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 01/11/2017 - 17:58:27
Good grief - from which aerie fallest thou, dear Alan?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 01/11/2017 - 05:58:22
Richard
I am not sure your using wit or sarcasm. If anyone has taken me as a know-it all-I am sorry for this as well. I have had a few close calls with the other side and I am a man with modest means. I identify well with Simons "The Boxer" and I like to see some, thru the lens of Bruce Hornsby-The Range. I try to bring joy who do not have much or who wish to contribute. Use knowledge for the well being of others. I assure you, my intentions are only good!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 21:41:54
Alan:
Seems as you have been self appointed as the all-knowing, all-seeing savior to the Chat-M-Room with your knowledge of Federal acronyms, etc. Can you lend us the courtesy of telling us some of your background? Inquiring minds wish to be enlightened.
Most contributors here need no introduction, but I think the Roomies would like to know more about where you come up with your submissions ! Are you in the Federal Witness Protection program, under an assumed name? Of course you can't reveal that info.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 18:01:11
Do you wish to have some other examples? Take a look at Kate's Law. Why do you think it did not pass, was there too much congressional PORK behind it. This law is scheduled for a re-vote in a few weeks and how much would you like to be that it passes? This is not only a SF issue, my guess is that it will impact the whole of Cape Cod

And can the Federal Gov't officials move fast, Just look at how fast they moved on the Chatham Airport, The FAA does not like anyone playing with their fiefdoms.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 15:49:37
To Daniel's comment-What is that? Now we are getting some where. Daniel,It is what is commonly referred to as PORK. Those acronyms and all other laws, etc., agreed to by Congress usually become official when they are printed in a daily Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). This "tiny little document" (its not so tiny and its not always so easy to read) can be anywhere from 100 to 1000 entries a day and plays a major roll in the foundations of how companies or State and Local Gov'ts handle their business. The CFR is read by only a tiny amount of Folks across the Nation, but it dictates a major outcome of how Fed Funds are spent. Get a couple of $3-$400,000 fines and you can bet, ones readership will increase. So I wonder, do Chatham officials read the CFR every day or at least once a week? And I would imagine that state of Ma. officials have assistance with some major Boston Law Firm (s) to stay current or maybe I am mistaken?

A good example might be the vacation land of the inner city of Newark in the late 1990's. Did the then Mayor Sharpp James build some PORK Palaces? And was Santa Claus (the Fed. Gov.) providing this funding? Could one thing be sure?- did he have a staff who knew how to use the CFR with persuasive data, models, to meet Fed Gov. criteria, with a right network (yea the Network one uses can be important). Could, how one uses the CFR be directly proportional to funding received, you be the judge?

How does this relate to Chatham Roundabouts? Granted, it's not that easy, however local Gov't officials must learn how to "spark the system" and light fires under Ma. state officials to better incorporate the CFR. Maybe they have already. That is, if they wish to get some of this funding or expand it. I would interested to know if some of this waste water or sidewalk funding just fell on the township. Why should the taxpayer have to pick up these costs? Better yet,

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 15:39:54
You must have nerves of steel. Glad it's working for you. Doesn't work for me.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 13:44:55
My protocol: patience and caution.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 13:17:23
It seems to me that a light at both George-Ryder and Barn-Hill would work best. Have the sensor keep 28 green until an activation from the side roads.

One lane Rotary's only work with light traffic. I lived in England for a few years so I have some experience with this. They use 4 lane rotary's for heavier traffic (terrifying by the way) areas. They all drive tiny cars, unlike here the big SUV is the norm.

I'll say I told you so now. A rotary will be worse than what is their now. The downtown rotary has been their a long time and to this day people have no idea who has the right of way, yes, even locals.

bill p
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 13:12:06
Judith, I'm very interested in knowing your protocol for exiting left from George Ryder.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 12:57:29
I am neither pro or con roundabouts in general. I think Town Meeting should be the decider for any planned for W. Chatham . However, experiencing cars zooming thru yield signs at the Chatham rotary and the new Orleans rotary/roundabout, convinces me that near misses occur regularly. This is especially a problem in tourist destinations where visitors simply don't know what to do when confronted with a rotary or roundabout.
The same problem existed in Concord, MA (another tourist destination) when I lived there. Unless traffic is backed up, there will always be people who do not pay attention to YIELD signs at roundabouts or on Rt. 6.

Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 11:18:55
Not sure I got all the bureau-speak but I am guessing the concerns are cost and safety as per statistical information? IMHO, statistics are not the be-all-end-all of anything. All studies represent a POV and should always be viewed "considering the source." Secondly, while I cannot speak to costs, I can attest to personal experience and observations. Yes, not everyone knows how to navigate a roundabout with comfort but EVERYONE approaches cautiously, viewing the other drivers as potential danger (duh). Surprise...drivers must be responsible for their own actions! Roundabouts slow progress but do not stop it. Flow continues at a reasonable pace and all move along. Thanks...I'm done.
Melissa
USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 08:55:48
Oops! Sorry for using another acronym. That would be "Massachusetts Department of Transportation".
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 08:44:46
I seem to recall some of those acronyms way back when MassDot engineers were doing their assessments of this project.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/10/2017 - 08:34:43
What is that
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 23:00:21
... the state average.
From a pure Gov't point of view a holistic examination of the safety performance of each site must be verified. I am sure this has been conducted by the Chatham Police Dept.-they hold the key with their data on actual crashes for the public to see, if they wish or can share. And finally, there is the Strategic Highway Safety Program (SHSP), a plan which should intergrate the 4-E's Engineering, Education, Enforcement and Emergency Medical Services.
Chatham officials are surely aware of the above, but the average citizen may wish to keep some of this in mind, if public comments are allowed or considered. Hope I did not bore you to death
Happy New Year

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 22:53:03
"The Room" seems to be engrossed with Roundabouts, so some additional info to consider, with some key Buzz acronyms to begin making you all experts (step back and giggle a bit) Whether you are for or against, you all have provided some valuable "empirical data, but this must be elaborated upon and verified (you entered the Scientific Process)
Who's going to pay for these improvements if they are advanced? (beware, beyond this point, many might have no interest)
Can I suggest you are knowing of the Fed Gov't HSIP 29CFR924 (Highwy Safety Improvement program and the Federal Aid Surface
Transportation Block Grant (STBG). Do these improvements all have to be on the township or even the State of Ma.? Incorporated in the technical thinking must be a focus on HIGH RISK RURAL ROADS (HRRR) which can be defined as any roadway functionally classified as a rural or minor Collector
where the accident rate for fatalities and incapaciting injuries exceeds...

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 22:42:48
Some things never change - I had my own version of Barry and Gordon's route to and from West Chatham back in the day - worked great until I got a traffic ticket from Rod MacDonald for an illegal something or other - he carefully explained how I couldn't drive through yet he had no clue - he was brand new on the job and I was a brand new driver - both of us gained maturity from the experience
Ben H
USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 22:18:18
Wayne, that's how we usually go, but there are times we only need to go a short distance down Main St. W. Chatham.
Barry and Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 20:39:50
Gordon, we have done that often, but we stop there for coffee often, so I don't think they would object!!
Barry and Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 20:37:31
I do as Wayne does. And that's precisely why I support a roundabout. Meservey's and the Market Place shouldn't have drivers using their property simply to solve the left turn dilemma.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 20:16:43
Well as I have not lived here quite all my life yet I find the best way to go downtown is to go to Geo. Ryder to Old Queen Ann to Steppingstone to Crowell and use the traffic light. Or Tipcart to Hitchingpost, Depot And Old Harbor. Always works for me. Or just go early in the morning. That works for me.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 19:53:39
Barry... As you approach the intersection and there are cars stopped and not moving, you should turn right into the Hess gas station, pull through and then turn right and then left as you have recommended.. Just don't tell the Meserveys.
Gordon Pratt
USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 19:47:00
Living here all our lives we've learned the easiest way to exit Geo. Ryder Rd. when you want to head downtown, you turn right and then left into the drive across the street from Meservey's and then turn around and turn right to go downtown. Having delivered flowers during the summer that's pretty much the easiest way to get anywhere. You can't make a left hand turn onto Main Str. if your on the North side of 28.
Barry and Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 18:11:10
Melissa, I'd go one step further. Besides the downtown roundabout and the two planned for W. Chatham, I'd like to have one at Main/Depot/Crowell/Queen Anne. Plans are in the works for improvements to this intersection, so it'll be interesting to see what they come up with.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 12:20:07
The very 1st time I experienced "driving in a circle" was as a child coming to my beloved Chatham to visit my grandparents. The (then called) "rotary" appeared to me the craziest and scary-looking place! What if got stuck in the middle? What if we missed our turn?! Only years later, as a new driver did I realize...you just go around again, signal, watch for your chance and exit safely!! Still, never believed they presented a benefit, were just an unusual (cheaper?) option.
Jump to the present and near where I live, a very busy, congested traffic light was replaced by a (now called) roundabout. I waited for the deadly wrecks and worse back-ups. Never happened. It has been a surprisingly effective improvement to the traffic flow and congestion is minimal if at all. Lesson learned and while I cannot speak to private property rights, landscaping regulations, etc. if a roundabout is the "worst" thing to come to West Chatham...

Melissa
USA - Mon 01/09/2017 - 12:08:42
From a Chatham Native, but residing in Eastham, I can say that exiting from either G. Ryder's Road or from the OSJL lot, heading East. it can be life threatening as the cars coming from either direction are going faster than my otherwise alert brain can determine in a nanosecond. Is it safe to pull out, or not?

By the way, approaching 77, I can still plow driveways, and pilot the CG36500 safely, (like Don St. Pierre) wherever she needs to go. No accidents after driving over half a million miles.
Where do I stand on roundabouts? They have their place.
This State money allocated for the potential transfiguration of West Chatham state roads perhaps should be better spent on profiling and repaving Route 28 between downtown Chatham and Route 137 !!!!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 17:40:27
It has been said that if you are a commercial fisherman you are never unemployed, you are just between sites.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 16:38:57
"Close call" last week (not mine): As I entered the corridor coming home from Harwich, a vehicle abruptly exited the West Chatham post office driveway, shooting across the turning lane into the westbound lane. The driver of a vehicle already travelling in the westbound lane probably thought the crossing vehicle was going into the turning lane. Surprise! But for this driver's good reflexes and good brakes, the outcome could have been much different.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 16:29:20
Judy, Looks like the Chronicle described Peter Taylor as a commercial fisherman last October 27 in an article about the Eldredge trap dock. I guess I will just have to ask him if that was accurate or whether he is no longer a commercial fisherman.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 16:21:43
George: Seth Taylor is not the only person to oppose the W. Chatham roadway project.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 15:41:18
Thanks Judy, Good question about Peter Taylor's status as a fisherman. Will have to look into that.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 15:37:32
George - either way on your first comment - Mr. Dykens should not be voting on any issue considering the West Chatham Roadway project as he has a vested interest in a business there. I believe that would be a serious conflict of interest. As for the rest of it George, I'm not sure you have your facts correct. Are you sure Peter Taylor still fishes?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 14:57:05
Judy, I suspect Mr. Taylor's effort to seek Chairman Dykens recusal from consideration of the West Chatham roadway does not spring from any honest concern he has about ethics, but is simply a way to eliminate any future vote that Chairman Dykens might cast in support of a project that Mr. Taylor has sought for years to scuttle.

While we are on the issue of Mr. Taylor "doing his job" regarding conflicts of interest, perhaps he should also "do his job" and have the "courage" to recuse himself from further consideration of and voting on Fish Pier improvements, the Eldredge trap dock acquisition and improvements, and any other present and future waterways infrastructure improvements, funding, fees and policies that financially benefit his fisherman brother Peter. If he does not, perhaps someone else will have the "courage" to do so.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 13:14:46
Sometimes I can't tell who is on what side of what fence. I do hope that when the topic is over, and before the roll is called up yonder, those on the wrong side will admit they were playing whiffle ball and should have had a leap of faith to the correct side. (I do doubt this will happen.).
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 12:31:37
We shall see Debbie
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 08:02:14
I think it's wonderful that West Chatham businesses will be profiting from the roadway project. And I will finally be able to safely take a left turn out of George Ryder Road.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/08/2017 - 06:39:25
I can think of six people off the top of my head who have left the community development department in recent years. There may be more. There's something wrong with this picture.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/07/2017 - 19:33:35
George - perhaps you did not listen carefully enough? Also - you did not receive what I received in the mail today. We can agree to disagree on this as well.

Regarding "Mr. Hardings" vitriol again towards Mr. Taylor - I would hope that Mr. Taylor is doing his job in requesting Mr. Dykens recuse himself from any discussion regarding that roadway. Mr. Dyken's wife does stand to profit - as does he - for having a business on land they rent from my family. No need to criticize Mr. Taylor on that - he's doing what no other one on that Board apparently has the courage to do.

One last note - I hear our Building Inspector has resigned. Why are we losing so many members of Town staff - especially in the Community Development Dept? Management perhaps too closely tied to the developers? Conflicts of interest? Perhaps they all have a sense of ethics and morals.

Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/07/2017 - 17:29:38
Judy, Thanks for your response. I did watch the December 6 BOS meeting and I believe it was clear (at least to me) that Mr. Temple was requested to ask all West Chatham abutters to comment on the landscaping plan for the Route 28 roadway project - by the way, giving you and every other abutter a fourth opportunity to comment on that plan. To my knowledge, neither the BOS nor Mr. Temple was instructing abutters how to landscape their own properties and what to plant. You still have not explained how you came to that conclusion.

If you want the town to maintain your great grandparents land, why don't you go to the BOS or town meeting and ask them to appropriate funds to do so? I will support your request. We can't have it both ways -- complain about increased taxes to maintain town properties and then complain that the town doesn't do enough to maintain town properties.

I would say you are an incredibly lucky or an incredibly cautious driver, or both, if you have never had a "close call" at the George Ryder Road intersection. We will just have to agree to disagree about the safety of roundabouts. Thanks.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/07/2017 - 16:57:19
It was only a matter of time.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/07/2017 - 16:17:55
Steve - loved your comment about folks taking advantage and casting suspicions. You are hiding behind a false name and can't even identify yourself - how cowardly is that?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/07/2017 - 15:48:26
Mr. Myers -- Interesting that beside your post yesterday I received a letter in the mail from Mr. Leavitt -- very similar to what you had written. Same issues -- same misconceptions. You both may have missed the BOS meeting of Dec. 6th where the report of the Planning Board and the HBDC was discussed. The BOS directed the DPW Director to contact all abutters to Route 28 in the W. Chatham neighborhood center. Today I received a letter from Mr. Temple covering some of the issues discussed at that meeting. Included in the correspondence was a detailed landscaping plan for property owners to comment on. Perhaps you may want to watch the December 6th meeting. Interestingly enough, this directive was given to him on Dec. 6th and I received it one month later. They want a response by January 18th.
The Town has never properly maintained my great grandparents land -- the Harding Conservation area. The West Chatham Association tried to take care of it for years because the Town refused to do so. When the Town allowed it to get completely out of control the WCA gave up. I'm glad we agree the Town does not properly maintain its open space and why take on more maintenance?
Regarding the comments about the area being unsafe -- I refer you to both State and local police records which prove there is no speeding problem and no safety issues. Quite honestly I have never had any "close calls" at the intersection mentioned. I do not agree roundabouts would be helpful. Remember, this is where I grew up, and I think I know the area pretty well along with the long time business owners in the area who are also opposed to this project.

Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/07/2017 - 15:43:40
Judy complains about newbies without longstanding ties to Chatham putting in new regulations. She and Emily cite the waterways user fee as an egregious example. Well that fee came from Chatham "founder" Peter Taylor, Chairman of the Waterways Committee, who sees conspiracies everywhere.
Selectman Seth Taylor who is a newbie having lived elsewhere most of his entire adult life, is after everyone. He accused Selectman Dykens of a conflict of interest since his wife Julie, not a newbie, a small business owner, will benefit financially from the W. Chatham road improvements even though Taylor maintains those improvements will have a detrimental effect on businesses in the area.
Make it up as you go along. Accuse good people of wrongdoing. Get your own mooring while your constituents wait years.
Those that take advantage and cast suspicion on everyone else are usually the ones who should arouse our suspicions.
Stay safe during the storm. Chatham will survive even using new, more efficient plows.

Steven Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/07/2017 - 15:34:54
I say that some change is good. Like new and repaired sidewalks. And roundabouts. But demolition of most historic structures is totally unacceptable. I hope that the new owner of 271 SHR will do the right thing.
Debbie A.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/06/2017 - 18:38:18
Judy, I read your LTE in the Chronicle with interest and agree with you that "the town needs to take care of the property it has." You are correct that the town has not maintained, not only the Captain Harding conservation property next to yours, but all the other town and town-owned conservation properties. Of course, the money for that maintenance has to be appropriated by the town and I suspect many would support any effort to achieve that goal. I certainly would.

I do not believe that anyone thinks that Route 28 in West Chatham is "terribly unsafe," but I, and I'm sure many others (perhaps even you), have been involved in "close calls" at the intersections of both Barn Hill Road and George Ryder Road, especially the latter. The evidence is overwhelming that roundabouts in Europe and the US, especially single lane roundabouts like those planned for West Chatham, are much safer for motorists, cyclists and pedestrians than other intersection designs, including stop-lighted and stop-signed intersections.

A final point. I am mystified how you arrived at the notion that MassDOT, the Board of Selectmen, DPW or anyone else intends to tell you or any other West Chatham property owner how to landscape and what to plant on your own property or any other privately owned property. Perhaps you could explain how you arrived at that conclusion. Thanks.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/06/2017 - 14:31:18
Letters to the Editor in the CC Chronicle this week by Jared Fulcher and Judy Patterson, spoke to issues which have been brewing for some time. It is heartening to see citizens expressing their opinions in public, as too many will not. Interestingly, both Judy and Jared wrote about the issue of transforming the town to meet the desires of some. People say "change is good", but I say not always.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/05/2017 - 10:43:28
Too many people trying to change the character of the Town. It starts with the officials in town government that allow this to happen. Unfortunately - the majority of these folks were voted in and approved by Selectman. Others appointed by the Town Manager. Interestingly enough - none of the folks in these positions have any long standing ties to Chatham and don't really care because they still receive a paycheck. Waterways User Fees, demolitions, suggesting how to landscape private property? When does it stop? Enough is enough!
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatam, MA USA - Thu 01/05/2017 - 10:35:09
Jared Fulcher's letter about the razing of 271 SHR was PERFECT! I also totally agree with Ross Eldridge's letter about the Waterways User Fee. I reluctantly sent my check to the Harbormaster with the same complaint, and received a personal email of vague explanation in return. Considering the number of Town Landings, will this new cash be used to post a "Landing Officier" at EACH one all day to catch the off-Cape "Cowboys" with a car load of kids and a tubing ring?
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/05/2017 - 09:15:37
Absolutely. His letter speaks volumes.
Melissa
USA - Thu 01/05/2017 - 08:37:10
Excellent letter in this weeks Chronicle from Jared Fulcher regarding a property on SHR.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/05/2017 - 06:17:41
SHR was originally Atwood Street, so named because many of the descendants of Captain John Atwood built houses and lived on that street. The Atwood family tree on the wall of Margery Atwood's kitchen includes a photo and the present street number of each member's house on Atwood Street.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Thu 01/05/2017 - 01:47:47
I believe it was Atwood Street.......changed to Stage Harbor Rd sometime between Ansel Adams photos of my Aunt's barn (330 SHR) in 1930 and her purchase of 330 SHR around 1946. The barn has been torn down. Check with Historical Society records!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/04/2017 - 14:20:48
Barbara,
I seem to remember that Stage Harbor Rd. was Atwood Road previously. I could be wrong. Anna

Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 01/04/2017 - 12:28:09
Chatham Historical Society probably has access to early street maps. I am not old enough to know anything different from Stage Harbor Road, but Atwood Road certainly could have been the early name, as it was the Atwood House that was served by the road early on.
Like, Crows Pond Road was probably Crowell's Pond Road early on. Why name a road after a bird? Yes, they are cool and clever.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/03/2017 - 17:43:20
There are a lot of you that know a lot about Chatham history. Perhaps one of you knows if the section of Stage Harbor Rd from Doc Keene Scout Hall toward the harbor was ever called Atwood Road. If it was, the year the name was changed will be helpful. Thanks to anyone who can help me.
Barbara <bejsteve@gmail.com>
Franklin, NH USA - Mon 01/02/2017 - 19:16:40
Happy New Year to everyone!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <btnick2002@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/01/2017 - 04:32:56
There is no longer a home at 26 Stage Harbor Road (formerly 1 Stage Harbor Road in the days of Howard Johnson). It has been demolished. My parents, Axel and Reliance, built the first home there when the lots came for sale overlooking Oyster Pond and walk to town. They paid $5,000.00 for the lot. My father did the plumbing, my uncle, Clifton Howes, did the electrical work, and a family friend supervised the carpentry work. The new owners are building a four bedroom home there. My father told me when he could no longer live there, "A lot of love went on in that house." I wish the new owners the same.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 12/31/2016 - 11:17:05
Happy New year to all!
john whelan
USA - Fri 12/30/2016 - 23:24:53
Really enjoy your posts Anna and Richard - some great memories are tweaked by your stories - a big Happy New Year to you and everyone
Ben H
USA - Thu 12/29/2016 - 22:30:33
Happy New Year to all. Not looking forward to what might happen after January 21st. Many chances for the new "Twitter In Chief" to screw up on the world stage.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 12/29/2016 - 19:39:08
Joan's mother, Eleanor Henderson, used to host the HOH Stamp Club once a week at her kitchen table. She would help us understand stamp collecting, purchasing them when possible from the Harris (?) Stamp Co. in Boston, cataloging them correctly, and trading stamps with each other. HOH stood for Henderson, Olson, and Harding. Jane Harding Patterson was the other "H" club member. With the passing of these two faithful friends of many years, I seem to be the only survivor and I treasure many happy memories from these friendships.
Anna Olson Woodland

Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 12/28/2016 - 19:41:04
Her Dad was "Bud" Henderson, who was involved in a lot of things regarding the Chatham waterfront, especially at the Mitchell River Bridge. I wonder what he might say about the vista now. And, her mother was heavily involved in researching Chatham history.
Thanks Anna for your kind addition to the Room. Wasn't brother John Ryder in your class as well? Maybe we can get him to add something about Joan to the Room.
For us Chatham High graduates of that era, reunions are so easy, as there are sadly so few members remaining.
Your scribe from the Class of 1957 .

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 12/28/2016 - 18:04:13
Yes, Joan Henderson Curie, my neighborhood friend growing up in West Chatham and my 1954 CHS classmate. She suffered from Parkinson's Disease for many years. Her son, Neil, notified me a few days ago. Anna
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 12/28/2016 - 15:37:18
I see in todays paper (Cape Cod Times) than Joan Henderson has died. She was in the Chatham High class of 1954.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 12/28/2016 - 10:43:55
I hope so John, and Happy New Year!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <btnick2002@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/28/2016 - 05:13:53
Today marks the 11th 'birthday' of my version of this site! But I have to apologize for the last couple of years when I have not been keeping it as well maintained as I had in past. My vision issues sometimes makes the thought of doing a lot of text work needed to be too much to handle so I defer it and unfortunately that makes it even more work later. I try and make sure it functions at least daily and also know we have lost some loyal users over years due to health/death, but I think it still serves a valuable need in town so I will attempt to keep it going as long as possible.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Tue 12/27/2016 - 20:33:55
That is quite a coup, Emily. Congrats to my niece Sharon!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 12/26/2016 - 18:30:44
The recent DESERT magazine had a very nice interview with Sharon Ryder and a fellow artist. Quite a coup!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 12/26/2016 - 18:19:06
I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas. FXM ran "A Christmas Carol"with Alastair Sims for most of the day. Everyone should watch that movie at least once a year. Merry Christmas
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/25/2016 - 19:59:26
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night. Especially those of us with little grandchildren who have more energy than we do! Love them like crazy though.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/25/2016 - 19:51:21
Merry Christmas!
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Sun 12/25/2016 - 10:03:49
Merry Christmas to all and hope all your wishes come true.
Crayton
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/25/2016 - 08:42:48
Best Christmas wishes to all on the Cha-m-room.
john whelan
USA - Sun 12/25/2016 - 08:08:43
Merry Christmas to all and hope all your wishes come true.
Crayton
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/25/2016 - 07:32:03
Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas to all!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <btnick2002@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/25/2016 - 03:57:48
Had a weird dream - St Nick was actually Donny Nick wearing a Christmas hat driving his John Deere tractor down Main St loaded with toys Jane Patterson and Eddie Forgeron (don't know how he got in my dream except I always loved his quirky friendly face) were tossing presents to all of us lined up just like in the '50s - Did I mention I am on some really good meds these days? Merry Christmas to all
Ben H
USA - Sat 12/24/2016 - 22:09:34
We have the Swedish flag flying on our condo, in hopes that St. Chowderman soon would be there. The cat was all nestled all snug in her bed, visions of salmon and crunchies danced in her head. And Emily in her nightie and Dick in his " jammies " had just settled our brains from a full day of sugarplums, football, and a long winter's nap, when?
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 12/24/2016 - 20:04:45
Yes Carl, let's look forward to our 60th Chatham High School reunion next summer! Happy Holidays to all who frequently post, or who partake in some other way of this site.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 12/23/2016 - 19:33:43
How right you are Carl,and we are still making memories.
Barry and Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Fri 12/23/2016 - 18:40:30
A lot of people have been given the best present possible - their lives.
Carl Olson (Chowder Man)
USA - Fri 12/23/2016 - 14:14:49
Well Chowderman, the Sikorsky Pave Hawk 60 is quite the helicopter, but the mission is something else, in and of itself. Your grandson must be putting his life on the line, every time he steps up to the plate and is called upon. now there's a real Santa!

We have a MIT PhD member of the family who heads R&D at Sikorsky who never talks about his work

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 12/22/2016 - 14:15:19
My son-in-laws Combat Search and Rescue Squadron flew Santa in for the kis Christmas party, quite similar to those we you to have, via Pavehawk 60 helicopter. The pilot? My grandson' father.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Thu 12/22/2016 - 10:49:23
Ah, the smell of the Delicious apple &#127822; along with the navel &#127818;orange, the life savers and the pack of gum in the white paper bag! Nothing beats that memory of at least 75 years. Merry Christmas to all!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 12/22/2016 - 08:39:49
I may have brought this to the fore previously, but I can't stand idly by and not recount my memories of Christmas in Chatham in the late 40's and early 50's.
The kids were assembled at the Bandstand, and a plane would fly over. Pretty soon, Santa would arrive via some magical carriage, (a Fire Truck?) and give out white bags containing some fruit (an apple or orange) and a tube of Life-Savers. If others had received a more plentiful bag, then I wouldn't have knowledge of that.
Remember back then Santa and flying were kind of magical.
And still are!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 12/21/2016 - 18:01:15
There are 1300 people on the mooring wait lists who are no doubt hoping there won't be a decrease in transparency. For obvious reasons, they probably won't do anything to rock the boat.
Gary
USA - Wed 12/21/2016 - 09:07:53
The Cape Cod Chronicle serves as a valuable asset to the Chatham community and Mr. Sean Summers letter to the Editor Proves it so. Mr. Summers reflects on the choices the paper has made in its reporting, now which is more important to the people overall, the attack on peoples Character(s) or Moorings, you make the call.

Mr. Summers and Mr. Harding seem to travel down the same path in their way of thinking. A portion of Mr. Summers Letter to the Editor states that Given the intrinsic value of moorings, I wonder where the usual "SUSPECTS" are who claim to hold transparency in gov't as the most essential aspect of good Gov't-the operative key words here- "Suspects and Transparency."

Mr. Harding and Mr. Summers need to understand that anyone who attempts to shine a light and opens a crack in the door of Gov't transparency is "No Suspect" What Mr. Harding and Mr Summers should grasp, is that, as municipal costs increase, transparency will decrease.

Those who have the courage to step up and call out the Gov't for when they see questionable acts are vital to the community, this includes the Chronicle. Just as you have done Mr Summers, the difference here is that you have attacked your own constituency (members of your own community who are seeking the same thing as you- I think-Transparency! Or was it indeed a case that you used the Mooring situation in an attempt to discredit others?
Alan

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 12/20/2016 - 12:17:43
Happy birthday to John, the under the bridge guy!
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Tue 12/20/2016 - 11:17:00
Cynthia, there are NO substitutes for Crown Pilot Crackers!!!
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Mon 12/19/2016 - 17:56:45
There are plenty of substitute "pilot crackers' even a can of them sold at WalMart
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/19/2016 - 08:39:56
Richard, sorry about the wrong info....I went on line and they don't make them anymore. Maybe Pat could get the recipe and make you some.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Sun 12/18/2016 - 21:00:22
Wow, could be a hack by the Russians
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/18/2016 - 20:38:37
Vermont Country Store has a catalog and probably is online, as well.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 12/18/2016 - 18:33:31
Yes, if you want some, guess that's what you'll have to do!!
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Sun 12/18/2016 - 17:12:47
Barry, I don't go to Vermont much. Is there an outlet closer, or do I go on the internet to find them? Certainly can do that.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/17/2016 - 20:20:47
Richard, they are called Lunch Crackers, to be found at Vermont Country Store.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, USA - Sat 12/17/2016 - 19:35:15
Carl:
How about "Crackers and Milk"? We have lost Nabisco Pilot Crackers, slathered with butter, but are there still the round crackers that we used to crunch up and add milk to in a tall glass? And eat with a spoon? I forget their name, but somehow the memory of them lingers. Does the name "Royal Lunch" ring a bell?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/17/2016 - 17:52:06
At 80 degrees here this afternoon,your recipe doesn't sound quite so inviting!!
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 12/17/2016 - 15:52:58
Good day today for a can of Campbell's Tomato Soup mixed with an equal part of light cream and served medium to medium hot plus with seventeen hand cruchned Ritz crackers.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 12/17/2016 - 14:43:03
During the "breeze" last night, we recorded a high wind of 59 MPH. Not from the W as predicted, but from the NW. About 300 feet of salt water ice out from the shore now. Hooded sweatshirts and Bomber hats are essential here if you want to check out Eastham beach conditions. Turtles coming ashore now? They are doomed. DOA.
There is no Chatham coastline that compares with the "fetch" we deal with. Can't say I want to be anywhere else. North Beach in the winter was a challenge to anyone who spent a night or two in a camp, now washed away.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 12/16/2016 - 17:33:50
Judith Winters- the roads were sanded because of the black ice that was so treacherous earlier.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Fri 12/16/2016 - 08:38:48
First snow in Chatham. I was surprised to see the roads had been sanded though.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 12/15/2016 - 23:19:04
Will do, Jim. He does not get involved with the CHAT-M-Room or facebook.....for obvious reasons. Hope you and your family have a very Merry Christmas. Our entire family will be together for the holidays and that is what it is all about...
Carol Kelley
USA - Mon 12/12/2016 - 08:49:38
The Indian burial area for Squanto was , I thought, on the high ground above what is now Ryder's Cove. Dave Archibald lives near there. Edward Rowe Snow and others may have led me to believe this.
After all, why not bury someone who revered the natural bounty close to them, and was for them to partake, not desecrate?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/11/2016 - 17:57:59
Carol - I meant to add to please say hello to Todd for us. he's a good dude and I miss being able to hang out with him.
JimP
USA - Sun 12/11/2016 - 10:27:58
Carol, thank you!! That coincides with my recollection of what I read. I just couldn't think of another "bluff" other than Morris Island. I think you are on to something. I'll give Todd a shout when we are next up there as I'd love to hire him to take us on one of his walks through the area. i recall as a kid walking the Indian areas of Eastham/Truro, etc as well as the old areas of Chatham. I forgot where all that stuff is now and it would be really neat to have the kids learn all that.

Todd is an underutilized asset there. Hopefully the word gets out and more people seek him out for discussion and nature walks. We are too rapidly losing information of the old days. I kept pestering my mother to put a tape recorder in front of my grandmother (Jean) and let her talk as holiday meals were always part history class, national Enquirer and the WWF at our house. Unfortunately that opportunity is now long past and we can't get her memories back.

JimP
USA - Sun 12/11/2016 - 10:23:22
Jim, According to Todd Squanto was most likely buried at Great Point, which is a part of Eastward Ho Golf Course. In the 50s a grave blew out and exposed a burial. W Sears Nickerson reasoned that it might have been Squanto. He died aboard Bradford's ship within Monomoit Bay (Pleasant Bay) 1622. He wanted to be buried with the English God thus explaining why he would be on top of the bluff and not buried in the native way. Bradford's ship was able to navigate into the Bay because there was a breech just north of the present breech off Minister's Point. If you have any further questions about old Chatham history......just ask Todd. As you know, his roots go deep and he is very, very proud of his heritage...
Carol Kelley
USA - Sun 12/11/2016 - 09:18:09
Could be - maybe the local historians can shed light on a book I read years ago alleging Squanto was buried on a bluff in Chatham facing the _______ (can't remember direction but sounded like it may have been Morris Island)

Anyone read this?

JimP
USA - Sat 12/10/2016 - 17:39:25
Maybe it's Squanto.
Priscilla
USA - Sat 12/10/2016 - 17:15:35
Heard it is a skull about 100 years old, and was not buried on the Atwood House grounds. Spooky. Perhaps someone had it and decided the museum a good place to get rid of it.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/10/2016 - 17:13:07
So, "nothing unusual" about a skull found near the Atwood House ? Was it an old skull? Sounds like some skullduggery going on.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/10/2016 - 12:37:13
Did you know that the Mass Gov ( S2452) passed a law that allows operators of state owned "Park and drive" parking lots to tow any car that is left unattended in the lot for more than 21 days and it took affect on Nov 16. I wonder if this includes the Barnstable lot on Rt. 6?
Don St. Pierre <lobsteringdstp@comcast.net>
N Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/10/2016 - 11:54:55
Well "Steve" or whoever you are, I don't know what facts you attribute to Seth Taylor and Stu Smith. I haven't heard or seen anything which you term "indiscretions" and are factual. So it's unfair to accuse me of bias. But I believe there are many of us who do resent the continuing campaign of a few people to malign others.

We have had town official in the past who have certainly "operated" inappropriately and sometimes illegally. Some of those incidents have been made public, and others are known but not publicized in the local paper.
Surely you would agree.

Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 16:50:09
I agree Mr. Upson's conduct with Ms Gibbs was completely inappropriate. He should acknowledge it, apologize, correct his methods or resign his position. However, the points about Seth Taylor and Harbormaster Smith are also factual. Yet Judy and Judith feel noting these indiscretions is biased. When Town Officials go "off the reservation" they should be held accountable. The actions of Mr. Upson, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Smith are all contrary to the rules and spirit of our bylaws and fair, transparent treatment for all Residents and Taxpayers. We haven't seen/heard any questions about Selectmen Metters, Dykens or Nicastro. We may not always agree with them but apparently don't question their motives. It''s time we have Town Officials who set a standard for following regulations, whether to the letter or in spirit, rather than operating under separate set of rules for themselves.
Ho, Ho, Ho!!!

Steven Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 14:45:04
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rfPlulZRpvThnyAov, OK USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 14:31:56
Alan, David Stevenson was a younger brother to my husband, David and I were in the same class in school.
My brother Bruce's grandson Christopher Honaker was KIA in a gun battle in Afghanistan on July 5, 2007 not in a flight accident. Eldredge connection to Chatham goes back many generations when an Eldredge married one of William Nickerson's sons.

Barbara Stevenson <bejsteve@gmail.com>
Franklin, NH USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 12:50:20
Alan, I see you are now off the eggnog. Have another Bud for all of us!!
George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 09:40:52
Hello All:
By now, I would have figured that I would have received an onslaught of negative posts about me because of an on purpose disclosure of my last communication. I had such a curiosity about Cassin Young and being brutally honest, I did Google Barbra, I apologize for doing so. This post could have a tainting of myself as well and I can only hope it does not.

I am sure John goes out of his way to protect this site and the folks that contribute, but he cannot do it all. Usually when one files under pseudo names, I assume they do so because they do not wish to be "called out" However, when you post, information can go anywhere and you do not always know where it goes. And when I say anywhere, it can go to places like Quantico, Virgina, other investigative authorities or other places you do not wish it going. Certainly this is not meant to scare, just more of one of raising an awareness.

I full recognize that this site is a place to come and share experiences and discuss Chatham issues. I have witnessed some very good people even though I do not always agree with their opinions. I hope post has no impact on this site for expressing the above or inhibits one's contributions. I mention this to raise the issue of security.
Alan

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 09:25:19
Was that David Stevenson, the barber, who lived on Cedar Street? I remember a birthday party there where we tried to drop clothes pins into an empty milk bottle from the back of a chair.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 08:32:24
It always seems impossible until it's done
Payday Loans <payday@instantpaydayloans00.com>
arUVeNFr, AP USA - Fri 12/09/2016 - 08:15:26
Barbara:
Either your very modest or perhaps everyone knows you on this site. I see the Stevenson's had not only the USS Cassin Young connection, but also the Chatham connection. I understand you had a younger member of the family killed in a flight accident, sorry for that. This Bud is for Bing and the Stevenson family-I hope there are more like you.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 12/08/2016 - 19:42:36
My husband Donald M Stevenson (Bing) was on the Cassin Young in the last 50's Brought back a lot of memories when I saw her in Boston a few years ago.
Barbara Stevenson <bejsteve@gmail.com>
Franklin, NH USA - Thu 12/08/2016 - 17:48:19
To those of us who live here full time: after attending the HBDC meeting last night, it's clear the issue of the purchase of the Eldredge Garage property is very complicated. It's also clear lots of work needs to be done before the special Town Meeting in Jan. I hope as much as can be saved from the barn will be, if the barn must be demolished. And it seems people in attendance felt strongly about saving the two smaller building. I loved what Mark Zibrat had to say about the pot belly stove!
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 12/08/2016 - 10:45:44
Well said Jim!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 12/08/2016 - 10:36:40
I've a bit of mixed emotions penning this post. I am a little disappointed in that December 7th came and went without much discussion on the day. We are arguing about moorings and town politics and the coming Holiday and we didn't do the marking of a day in infamy justice.
This URL is a video from a good friend of mine - BG (Ret) Joe Schaefer - a fellow Special Forces veteran. In it, he is commenting upon two days that rocked America, 60 years apart: Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
Here's the video: https://youtu.be/hk7VOB2c3f8
I recommend watching it, it is 8 minutes well spent. I took off my shoes and socks yesterday and did some "figuring". Any remaining vets from WWII are in their 90's. There may be a handful left in the upper 80's (those that lied about their age and trooped off to war). But, they are going. They are dying at the rate of over a thousand a day.
We have also been at our current war for almost a generation. This is the longest war in our history and we still cannot officially identify the enemy. I'm not wanting to sully the 7th Of December with Politics. I want to look back and thank the vets of today and yesteryear. As a kid I often listened to stories by Jake Worth and the old timers walking the beach looking for Nazi saboteurs; of the home front effort where everybody got involved; where every household shared in the collective effort and sacrifice and - sometimes - tragedy that war brought with it.
Don't forget these men and women. Chatham is blessed to have a good percentage of vets and warriors within it's borders. To everyone who has served - a hearty thank-you and "well done". To those who never came back, a moment of silence for the lost dreams and shattered lives of families left behind.
Let's not forget the days that shaped our nation. Now....I guess we can get back to fighting amongst ourselves.

JimP
USA - Thu 12/08/2016 - 10:10:24
Thank you Melissa!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 12/07/2016 - 23:42:01
Pearl Harbor Day: Thru the holidays should you do any window shopping in nearby Boston, recommend that you allow at least a few minutes to visit the Charleston Navy Yard. You can Board the USS Cassin Young-a World War II destroyer.
Commander Young has an extraordinary history which can be Utubed, During 1942 he was killed during a battle at Guadalcanal where he lead the crew of a heavy cruiser-the USS San Francisco.

Anyways if you never were on a Destroyer-here's your chance, forgive me, if nothing else runs by your mind.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 12/07/2016 - 19:35:46
Recent postings make me think of one thing...Bah Humbug. :-(
For those of us who cannot take the strolls, enjoy the sights, sample the treats and be a part of the Chatham holiday season, PLEASE put personal & political differences on a back-burner. REVEL in the fact that you CAN enjoy the small-town charm and APPRECIATE that such activities still take place!!! This is the time of year when tourists do not overwhelm the town so take advantage of this and make good memories every chance you get. Thanks for listening...

Melissa
USA - Wed 12/07/2016 - 13:51:08
Merry Christmas!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, CA USA - Wed 12/07/2016 - 11:39:43
That's more than on this site right now
JJ
USA - Wed 12/07/2016 - 11:27:23
Thirteen turkeys on Indian Hill Road this morning.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 12/07/2016 - 10:34:27
Judith: Given that I am extremely busy trying to get ready for trip south, I was in a real hurry with last post and should have named Anna also due to her posting. But I did say 'others' as knew it more than Judy whom I wanted to address. Sorry about that, ok?
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 21:34:15
Gordon Pratt:
Any comments about the President-Elect wanting to cancel a contract for replacements for Air Force One and Two? I think you were a Crew Chief for Air Force One some time ago. My wife lived near the pilots of One and Two in Maryland back in the late 70's. Resnick?
It would be nice for you to give a talk sometime about your experiences in the Air Force , especially what it was like to be in charge of such an important plane.!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 19:32:57
It is to laugh.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 19:26:26
Judy, You and Judith should practice what you preach.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 17:29:49
George / Carla - good grief - is this how you respond to folks? Neither of you win any popularity votes for the tone of your emails . It's Christmas - - play nice and treat people on here with respect!
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 16:51:43
Judith, If you don't get the point, too bad.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 16:21:37
What's your point George? There have been lots of entries since Saturday.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 16:12:25
Judy and Judith, If you look back at Carla's first post last Saturday, she was inquiring about the facts relating to the Harbormaster relocating a Stage Harbor mooring to Ryders Cove for a permit holder who was not even on the Ryders Cove wait list. Wasn't it you, Judith, who first brought up the EG/BU issue?
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 15:58:02
John why are you scolding Judy P. and not Anna? And how do you know who is making assumptions about whom? You must realize there are lurkers in this room who talk about who is who, but they don't participate.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 13:16:02
And I would remind JudyP and others that making assumptions as to identity of some posters that it may end up causing problems for themselves as while I sometimes don't know myself who is who (and usually don't care), there are some things which can reasonably prove that those assumptions are false.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 11:57:52
Well Alan and Judith, I guess Carla knows the facts are there regarding Mr. Upson and has decided to end her ridiculous tirade. Perhaps she should run for for selectman? Perhaps she already has and lost? No matter what moniker one chooses to hide behind in this forum, those that educate themselves in town government know exactly who you are - as your true colors shine through.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/06/2016 - 06:25:32
Also one more exciting event coming up: The Marconi Christmas at the 1915 Hotel Nautilus!
Carla
USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 22:16:48
Carla: are you comments regarding Mr. Upson? What happened is factual.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 22:14:59
I'm really looking forward to the Christmas Stroll. And the Inn Tour. And the Art Show. And the Historical Society events. This is my favorite time of the year in Chatham!
Carla
USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 21:29:52
Carla
Quite an attitude- the Old Soviet Union's "Pravda", would love to have you

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 21:01:27
Facts are missing. Deal with it.
Carla
USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 20:50:39
Carla
Do you really know what you are speaking of? The facts remain a mystery?
One need only to take the suggestion of Judy P's post on this site, referring one to the Nov 16 tape, its quite compelling. Judy also has a good foundation for what might be right and wrong.
Have you totally missed the point? This obviously has become an issue of intimidation and reputation. Your given a chance to pick up the vaneer and take a look, may I suggest you do so!

Has Mr. Upson distorted has own complicity with an antagonistic and authoritarian response to Elaine during this Nov. 16 meeting-telling Elaine to basically shut up. Far more important and way beyond this issue, is how would any citizen wish to express a viewpoint before this commission or any other branch of Chatham Gov't, with extended treatment like this?
Alan


The job of a successful leader is to build relationships that are based on mutual respect

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 20:41:24
I believe that this was not about a "petitioner's property". However, since relevant facts remain a mystery, it's probably best to let the whole thing go.
Carla
USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 19:30:43
Having been a Member for 5 Years on the Town of Eastham Conservation Commission, I would NEVER have set foot on a petitioners property unless the property was to be discussed in an advertised meeting. I even had to chastise fellow members who would walk across newly seeded spaces when we went on "site visits" before the meeting..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 12/05/2016 - 18:05:30
Alan: Suggest you run your contributions by the "Gunning Fog Index" before submitting them to this site.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 20:23:47
Definitely, in terms of infrastructure support. Maybe not so much in terms of mooring permits.
Carla
USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 17:33:04
The town of Truro is lucky, Dennis said, that people with wealth want to come and live here.

"It's a special place, and it lets the town thrive," he said. "I live in Western Massachusetts, and if you go to some of the small towns that are dying, it's very sad. They can't support their own infrastructure and things are deteriorating. It certainly has a good side to it as well."

Similar to Chatham?

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 16:33:50
Judy, It may be a long stretch but I think you might be right because this person who uses and/or has the name of Stephen Harding might well be Mr. Roper if he put together the first name of Stephen Sibley and the name of your grandparents, Harding (next door neighbors in West Chatham in years past; thus combining it to be Stephen Harding. People do strange things sometimes to hide from others. Best always, Anna
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 15:06:23
Very interesting!!!
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 15:05:10
Why thank you Alan. The obsession of some with their campaign against one selectperson, possibly two, and our harbormaster is pathetic. I note there has been no defense of Mr. Upson, but an attempt to segue to the campaign. Just ridiculous. No excuses for Upson's behavior. None.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 13:41:00
Alan, Your posts are irrelevant to the RC mooring issue.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 13:35:12
No Spin here Carla, I just laid out some of the groundwork to move towards getting to where you wish to go-the facts
Alan

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 13:24:45
Amazing spin Alan! So nice to know that we now have all the facts.
Carla
USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 13:01:33
By the way Mr Myers, Ms Winters seems to have some backbone (she was one of the few on this site thus far supporting Elaine on the solid observations presented by Mr. Time Wood (his article was presented from both sides), and I would be careful about what seems to be your attempt of shoving down opinions of your own on Judith.
Alan Wirsul

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 12:54:32
... with skiffs on private property and were there any laws on the books considering this fact? Was there a distinguished lack of tact used here? Mr Upson has an obligation on behalf of the Chatham Authorities as well as the tax paying residents to discharge his duties with integrity in a honorably professional, responsible and respectful way, did he do this? I am wondering, is this the kind of taking charge that My Myers was speaking about in some of his earlier writings?

A Gov't official coming to a resident's home, whether there is advance suggestion that he is visiting as a neighbor or otherwise is indeed out of order, especially to discuss an upcoming agenda item. I would equate this type of action a similar to receiving a registered letter from a township attorney suggesting corrective action or be claimed. Surely, one can see how Elaine felt, harassment and intimidation-I know I would have been concerned.

Yes, one can come to conscious composition of thought promoting all kinds of images, either from Mr Upson's side or Elaine's. However, one has to ask, was Mr. Upson's visit, even if he were nice, involving a ulterior motive, was he fishing for dirt or was he in some wild manner attempting to make a difference. I knew Elaine some 40+ years ago and she was always very honorable, very bright and wishing to make positive contributions to her community!

It's indeed unfortunate that this incident over boats-a tiny one at that where it concerns skiffs (Chatham seems to have many issues with boats including the US Coast Guard) had to come to this. Gov't never admits its mistakes, but I am sure wondering Carla and Mr. Myers, do we have one here? There has to be accountability here and I am hoping that Elaine can graciously accept a sincere apology and that Chatham officials will travel down the right road to resolve the whole matter.
Alan Wirsul

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 12:42:38
Carla, funny you should ask about the facts? The Chronicle's Tim Wood has certainly laid out the circumstances providing some accurate observations (the careless whisper on tape and the visit to Ms. Gibbs home "as a neighbor" by Mr Upson that surround this issue. The incident using the term liar over a supposed exaggeration by Ms. Gibbs as indicated by Mr. Upson. And, this, all centering around 'improper storage of seasonal water items." Is the Chatham Gov't suddenly concerned about Somalian Pirates or Insurgents looking to secure a new Skiff/dinghy? I see Ms. Bryce concerned with
"revetment" (a term more used in connection with military concerns about sloping structures with explosives storage-perhaps she is worried about incoming artillery) and possible Claims against the Chatham Gov't. I would think in this case, that the Chatham Gov't would first and foremost be looking for the derelict storage of skiffs on public grounds and to either reprimand or secure fees for services rendered as opposed to 'warning" residents like Elaine.

So Carla, I have no idea of who you are or what the context of your question is, but are you attempting to open the door for hypothesis with a movement towards conjecture or speculation or is this some kind of real wondering of the facts? Conservation Chairman, James Upson, previously ran for the BOS with a partial theme of seeking collaborative compromise with a patient listening to all sides. As Chairman of this committee and as a service provider, would it not be better for Mr. Upson be concerned with sound ideas-not this nonsense?

So, lets dwell into looking for some other facts. Did Chairman Upson "neighborly" visit the homes or even write letters to all these other skiff owners? And did he do so before the agenda item went to the Nov 16 meeting or afterwards, or did he even do any of this? Did Mr. Upson discuss this improper storage..

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 12:20:41
Judith, As long as you are going off topic, I trust you did not support Selectmen Taylor and Love in their failed attempt to exclude non-resident taxpaying homeowners from making agenda item requests to the Board of Selectmen. On this particular issue, I consider Ms Love's failure to live up to her campaign promise to work toward eliminating split votes by the Board of Selectmen to be "inexcusable behavior."

Based on her abstention (after seconding) Mr Taylor's further attempt to strip the Board Chairman and Town Manager of their agenda responsibilities, I will concede that she seems to be learning that supporting all the divisive proposals of Mr Taylor is politically harmful to her.

George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 10:25:43
Judy, You seem to know what happened with the RC mooring, so why not share the facts with Carla.
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2016 - 10:23:42
Wondering exactly what the facts are.
Carla
USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 22:47:42
George: I hope you read the Chronicle this week to learn one of the reasons people preferred to vote for Amanda Love as a member of the board of selectmen rather than her opponent. His behavior inexcusable.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 21:59:51
JudyP: Please do NOT continue to make posts implying that Tim Roper is Steven Harding, because they are not the same user. I don't know exactly who "Steven" is, but have sufficient evidence that it's another person, ok? If you continue to make such false allegations, I will have to take further actions but given that I am quite busy preparing for trip south, it may be delayed a bit.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 21:35:16
George - sorry to disappoint you and Tim - but it is old news and Mr. Taylor had nothing to do with this. I would strongly urge you to check facts prior to accusing someone if you don't know what happened.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 20:53:07
Judy, Is that really old news? When did you hear about the new RC mooring? What facts do you know about it?
George <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 19:42:20
Wondering exactly what the facts are.
Carla
USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 19:18:41
Old news Tim - check your facts before assigning blame
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 18:16:58
More mooring stuff. A couple buy a home next to the boatyard on Ryder's Cove from Eastward Homes for millions and somehow get a brand new mooring right in front of the house. They weren't on the waiting list. Must be friends of Selectman Taylor as they got preferential treatment from the Harbormaster as did he. Rules were put in place to keep the process fair, open and transparent. Too bad our Town Officials...Harbormaster and Selectman Taylor...don't play by the rules and regulations they are sworn to enforce. Defend them if you want but the reality is apparent.
Steven Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2016 - 11:06:59
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