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Emily and Gordon, I also was in Vietnam in 1970 and flew out of Ton Son Nhut airfield a number of times.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/24/2017 - 08:10:46
Richard Ryder.... Correction if I may.. I was 1 of 12 ground crew members assigned to AF1 for 12 and 1/2 years of my 20 year career as an FAA certified A & P Technician.. S.O.A.P. stands for ( Spectrometric Oil Analysis Program )
Gordon PRATT
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 21:53:31
A few days back I was wondering how the M/V Iyanough could have been so far off course and what happened? But now see that the USS Fitzgerald could be a far more reaching story and the "Hyannis Story" something proportionaly super minor, considering the NTSB dropped the subject.

No one seems to be disclosing the ultimate destination of the ACX Crystal. And this story about the time of the incident? And how could a Navy destroyer in this day in age, not able to see the Crystal? An unofficial comment-"the USS Fitzgerald had the kind of radar that could detect a flapping fish in the water from 5 miles out." Outside investigative officials suggesting that the Fitzgerald, could it have been dead in the water? What about the circling back of Crystal, 39.5 MT ship that can travel at 15.8 knts? Could the Crystal actually trying to hit the Fitzgerald? Could it have been a case that the OD and all the ships Navigational aids/personnel were neutralized- seems very far out there? Even if a jamming effort were conducted, based on your own accounts, how could this happen?

And the men that died, did they die instantly or were they left behind due to hatches being closed down in order to save the ship? Whatever the case, may their souls rest in peace.

I hope there is nothing out of the ordinary that happened here, but whole incident has been rather weirdly handled news releases.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 21:23:54
Ahh the Aussie navy pilots and officers clubs (as in any bar or officers club) were made for one another - "Wherefore art thou, Moriarty" was a favorite game for the uninitated - the Aussie Commanding Officer would lie face down on the floor with a rolled up newspaper in his right hand while the USN Commanding Officer assumed the same position opposite also with a rolled up newspaper - Both would then be blindfolded and with both squadrons cheering and many side bets (the Aussies loved to bet) the Admiral who was referee said "Let the games begin" - the USN CO would then say "Wherefore Art Thou Moriarty" and the Aussie CO would answer "Here, Sir" - Based only upon where he thought the location of his voice (because he was blindfolded), the USN CO got to take a tremendous swat with the newspaper but of course missed (see following for reason) - then it was the Aussie CO's's turn - Well the Aussies had bribed the Admiral so their CO took off his blindfold which made the USN CO "easy pickings" - He was whacked viciously several times with that rolled up newspaper before he finally figured out he had been duped - two of those crazy aussies were in my wedding in Middlebury Vermont and managed to get in the belfry and ring the town bell at midnight which almost caused an international incident - we also trained the Canadian navy pilots who tried hard but couldn't measure up to those aussies
Ben H
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:50:36
forgot to add - doors locked open and we were only fastened in with a lanyard. Great fun.
JimP
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:25:37
OK - best Chopper story I have is this: during the haitian invasion, me, the Group XO and a medic had to fly up north from Port Au Prince to look into an issue. We load the chopper up - piloted by two junior warrants from one of the conventional units (10th Mountain): WO 1's if I recall. We're flying along the Arto-Bonite valley up by St Mark (some of the most beautiful landscape in the world) when one of the pilots flips a switch and all of a sudden we get the Rolling Stones screaming in our headsets. The pilots had been listening to them while flying. They got all sheepish and started apologizing profusely when the XO told them to shut up and "Rock the Tunes". The pilots looked at each other, grinned and asked if we wanted to "take a ride" (they weren't used to flying special forces guys). The XO says "Hell YAH". They cranked the tunes, flipped that bird on its side and dove down a waterfall and skimmed the earth for about the next 45 minutes - nap of the earth; popping up over trees; diving into valleys; doing things I never thought a Blackhawk could do. We finished our flight up north and handled business (during which I walked into the Dominican Republic but that's another story). We came back pretty much the same way - crazy fun. The pilots made us promise that if we ever needed to fly anywhere that we'd specifically request them on the mission order; they had a lot of fun. Made us promise never to tell their unit what they'd done. Good guys. Probably 22 years old and having the time of their lives.
JimP
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:21:29
My helo ride was up to the mock Viet Cong Village behind two Aussi pilots with kangaroos on the back of their helmets. It was open.....both sides. and before I got myself strapped in.....wheeeeee...we were on a major tilt over the Mecong River.. Almost lost my camera.....remember....VIP stuff, during the war. How crazy was that?
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 19:33:47
Gordon: Can you tell us what the acronym S.O.A.P stands for? I know that later you were the Crew Chief on Air Force One.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 18:14:42
Emily:
I had forgotten about the chandeliers. Gunship helo rides were eye opening.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 17:03:31
Small world Emily, I was in Ton Son Nhut in August 1970. I was receiving a 30 day update on how to manage the S.O.A.P. lab at Phu Cat air base..
Gordon PRATT
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 16:35:40
In 1970 I had a cheeseburger and a glass of milk at the O Club at Ton Son Nhut. It was impressive with linen tablecloths, chandeliers, etc. I also had a tour of Gen. Westmorland's trailer. Huh? Well my husband Dick was working for Pan Am in the R & R program and was called back to DOD in DC I went to Saigon to visit friends and was given a VIP tour......gunship help ride, too!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 11:09:34
Former AF here. I have to agree we had it pretty good. But I bet Jim and his buddy's never complained when an A-10 was over head.
Bll P <southchatham@hotmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 19:06:15
Ben, that's the thing that's tough for these kids to deal with the first time: one moment everyone is there and happy, a split second later a few are dead and/or maimed. No reason....no warning....it just "is". No goodbyes....just gone.
JimP
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 18:27:02
Lost all of his belongings and 7 shipmates
Ben H
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 17:44:55
Amazing Grace - no deaths, no injuries on the Muliphen collision.

I wa the mailman on the Muliphen and when we came into port I was the first one off ship because mail was such a morale booster. I felt badly for those who did receive any and worse for those who got "Dear John" letters. I drove the Captain's car to get the mail and the Marines at the gate saw the flags on the front fenders indicating the rank, they gave a very stiff and formal salute. When I came to a stop they were really pissed off that the had just saluted a Navy E4. No one ever inspected my leather sack and thus those 40 ounce glass jugs remained safe and eventually emptied on the fantail at sea.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 03:49:45
Found out via Facebook that a friend/former co-worker in FL has a nephew who was on the Fitzgerald and lost all his belongings due to flooding of berth. He's safe in Japan according to her.
J Hallgren (as User)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 01:44:04
Jim P:
As a Mustang Navy guy, I can assure you that as an E-5 & 6 on the USS Intrepid, I always felt I knew my place. No rift, that was the way it was. The officers respected us, we respected them. Can i tell you that as an HM3/USN, I was engaged to a Navy Nurse, LTJG? That is another story. We did dine together on occasion. Just not so anyone knew about it.
As a LTJG visiting the O Club at Ton Son Nhut air base near Saigon, I was shocked that it was run by the Air Force, where they had waitresses, a printed menu, and floor shows. I learned then that the Air Force first builds the Officers Club, then the airfield. Okay, there are a lot of Officers in the USAF (pilots, you know)
But, wait. The troops at the MACV HQ in Saigon were lamenting the fact that they were only going to get ONE mail call that day.
Down in the Delta, we got mail maybe three times a week. The Army could only fly in certain weather conditions. Navy Seawolf Helos? Yes, they could fly in all conditions, as well as at night. They were supporting the nearby SEAL team.

LCDR, Medical Service Corps, USN, Retired

Pardon us military folks, but there aren't many places for us to share these stories.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 21:12:30
Ben, I find it fascinating. The cultural difference amongst the services is amazing. One of my good buddies I worked with was a Navy Captain and I used to razz him about the stuff they would relieve ship-drivers for: basically anything that goes wrong....keel touches sand? Relief. hanky-panky aboard ship? Relief. Collision? Relief.

A seriously no-defects attitude on navigation and they sure as heck don't mess around in placing blame.

We always eat with our troops, the Navy frowns upon officers eating with the "enlisted swine". That always causes a rift aboard ship.

But - I think we can all gang up on the Air Force. Their idea of "hardship" is waiting 20 minutes for room service!! (Sorry Gordon...had to say it). :)

JimP
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 20:11:44
Jim P must be getting tired of all this "squid" talk - just sayin
Ben H
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 20:04:01
Talked with a retired Navy officer last night who had been the OOD on Navy ships in the very same are of this recent collision. He said the area has a lot of shipping, but he and his watch standing crew took great pride in ensuring that a safe distance from all vessels was maintained.

There are plenty of Navy officers who will be ready to take the place of the Captain of the USS Fitzgerald.

The saying is, "A collision at sea can ruin your entire day". Aboard the USS Intrepid, we did collide with a tanker, but it was in fairly shallow water, we were being refueled, and there was s steering casualty. No lives are lost but the ship had to go in to dry dock for repairs to a sponson, which was ripped off during the collision..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 17:21:19
At the inquest (review, investigation) Combat, which was radar, contacted the bridge with "1100 hundred yards to collision, 1000 yards to collision, 900 yards to collision..."The last the talker on the bridge communicated of the OOD was 1100 hundred yards. Perhaps if he had communicated all of them they could have backed down emergency full and we would not have the Greek tanker sitting in our bow. The Greek ship was found technically at fault but the Navy had no excuse for a collision at sea The captain was relieved of command and transferred to Washington, DC to "float a desk."
Partly because I was a yeoman I met and served hundred many officers over my four years but there ws none I enjoyed being with and respected more than Captain Thomas F. Saunders, Jr. USN You never forget.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 12:11:18
There couldn't have been a lot of attention being paid by the USS Fitzgerald OOD, as the Navy ship was hit on the starboard side. This means that they were the "burdened vessel" in a crossing situation and should have turned or taken other evasive action to avoid a collision. Even a Third Class Boatswain's Mate in the Navy or Coast Guard knows that stuff.
Several years ago, up near Race Point, I had to turn the CG36500 sharply to port to avoid a collision, even though we had the Right of Way. A commercial 35' charter boat from P'town was crossing from left to right in front of us, not paying attention, no one steering. If we had hit his thin fiberglass hull with our ten ton boat, he and his passengers would have been swimming.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 09:55:05
Carl & Ben H,
I am not a mariner or even a recreational sailor and do not presume to know what kind of multi-tasking a ship's captain must handle. I do, however, work in ocean-going logistics and cannot comprehend how, with all the technology available nowadays AND trained personnel at specific posts, 2 enormous vessels can collide in the middle of a non-stormy open sea. I will be very interested to hear if human error is indeed at fault.

Melissa
USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 09:06:00
Bridge, Damage Control - ruptured fire main frame 41, flooding number one hold. The Captain has the helm and responds "Aye, Aye Olson" Bridge, Damage Control, "Request permission to throw damaged ammunition overboard, number one hold." The Captain quickly checks the charts and responds, "Permission denied." You could clearly see the Greek oil tanker sitting in the bow of our ship. The 40mm looked like a piece of broken spaghetti, The Captain and Exec boats like completely smashed plywood.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 01:59:04
Richard,Carl,and all other Chatham mariners.
I stood many watches on an aircraft carrier under training as an OOD (Officer of the Deck) who is the individual responsible for safely navigating the ship when the Captain is off the bridge. An aircraft carrier can be equated to a loaded cargo ship in manueverability - practically none and with lots of weigh on (impossible to stop). I also stood OOD watches on a destroyer - highly manueverable. The plane guard destroyers during flight ops practically zip in and around aircraft carriers. The OOD and bridge watch team are trained to watch all other shipping visually or on radar and notify the Captain if the CPA (closest point of approach)of another vessel appears to be within a certain distance or if the vessel appears to be closing. With all that in mind, how could the Fitzgerald not have avoided the container ship?
As Carl points out, incredible heroics occur after a disaster at sea and as he stated those involved are just reacting by instinct to all the training they received. I am certain that crew saved the ship from sinking just as I am certain an incompetent Officer of the Deck allowed the collision to happen.What do you guys think?

Ben H
USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 21:41:42
USS Muliphen AKA 61 Attack Cargo Ship - clear the foc'sle, clear the foc'sle, colsion quarters, c
ision quarters and then it was repeated. We were in Roosevelt Rhodes after a pick and span dry docks in Boston. I had heard Man Overboard, Man Overboard this is a drill, this is a drill. Fire number three hatch, Fire number three hatch this is a drill this is a drill. And then the training kicked in - the loudspeaker did not say this is a drill. It was pay day and I was selling money orders in the post office. I slammed the door shut with singles, fives, ten, and twenties floating like feathers, locked the door and hutled as fast as I could to my duty station as the Captain's talker on the bridge.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 20:08:00
Glenn: If there were enough full time residents of Eastham that actually cared about the history, which our departed friend Noel Beyle so generously shared with everyone, then maybe there would be a group that would take on the job of getting the mill back in operation. If it (the windmill) is in the hands of the Eastham Selectmen, than I don't see anything changing.
Just like when the CG36500 was offered to Chatham back in 1980; "Nope, don't need it."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 18:08:28
The Eastham Windmill used to grind souvenir corn but a fractured skull suffered decades ago by an unwary visitor after getting clocked in the head by the vanes put an end to that. Plus, as I understand it, the mill cap can't be rotated into the wind because the pole once used for that was repurposed as a replacement to the blade shaft.
Glenn S.
N. Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 11:33:19
As far as the M/V Iyanough ferry crunch goes, I suspect that someone gave the helmsman an order to come left, when the order should have been, come right.

What part of dyslexia could play a role in this scenario?

Or maybe my idea is not based in reality. However, It is either attributable to human error or a steering casualty.

Brother Captain Bob told me before you come in to the dock, check that reverse gear is functional. I still do that with the CG36500.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 20:02:01
Emily:
As a Chatham native, I am so pleased to know that the windmill actually is operatonal! Eastham millers, get up to speed!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 19:53:02
Nature gave the Godfrey Gristmill the gift of wind today! We ground several bags of corn, moved the cap several times, gave eager visitors bags of cornmeal to take home, and had a wonderfully successful day. Hooray!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 16:09:34
No longer a newsflash, but very surprised to have seen the M/V Iyanough hit the jetty in Hyannis. Authority operates with great teams. Do not understand how Capt. could have been so far off course into the Harbor. Coast Guard Chatham was one of the teams responsding, but heard seas were so bad, outgoing authority vessel to Nantucket returned back. It must have been a task, just to get to the scene for responders
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/17/2017 - 15:58:30
Civility, and clarity, returns!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 20:25:30
Wishing the fathers in my family a heartfelt Father's Day! My late father David, my late husband Bob, son David, sons in law Matt and Dan and brothers John, Richard and Bob. So proud of all of you!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 18:30:04
Emily, see you at the Windmill!
Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 16:00:50
Thanks Lisa for the nudge! I will be at the windmill to see Colonel Godfrey and listen to colonial music by Rev. Robinson.....corn muffins, too.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 13:27:50
This is history weekend. Go see Chatham in the military at the Atwood House. Watch Bob Ryder tap out a message for you at Marconi. Order an historic sign for your 100 year old house with Don Edge's help at the library from 11 to 1. Visit the depot or the windmill.
I'm going to the Caleb Nickerson house. It's all free.

Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 07:05:45
A belated thank you BobR for your welcome. Love being back in my hometown. Fortunately I missed the chastising and spat that occurred on these pages before mention of Mrs Crowell. I loved her also. When I has to write an essay on my application to Northfield, I was panicked. She was my monitor, noted my distress and reminded me of the relevance to the subject matter of a book we had studied. I had no trouble writing after that.Following her and my English professor godmother Elizabeth Reynard, I was an English teacher for 20 years before I switched to law.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 06:53:16
Gordon, That just shows how compassionate she was. Thanks for sharing your personal story.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/14/2017 - 10:34:52
I would not have graduated with my class in 1949 if Mrs. Crowell had not given me a passing grade which I did not deserve.. She took me aside and said if I would play the Priest in the Play " GENE VALGENE " SP.. she would give me a passing grade !!!! And that's all I have to say about that......
Gordon PRATT
USA - Wed 06/14/2017 - 09:57:29
Must have been early training for the Navy, where we were all referred to by last name.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/13/2017 - 17:36:14
Remember how she addressed each one by his/her last name?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 06/13/2017 - 11:49:28
She was the most graceful and patient teacher I ever had. Including those at Stockbridge School at UMASS, the US Navy Pharmacy School, and Cornell University.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 19:26:20
Carl, None other than Mrs. Josephine Crowell, to whom I owe much.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 15:04:49
"And what is so rare as a day in June..." Makes me remember my Chatham high school English teacher. What was her name?
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 12:37:48
Judith, just so you know if you ever filled out a Chatham town census form your age is a matter of public record. I looked you up, you three years older than I am.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 11:48:03
Happy Summer Everyone!!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 20:00:34
Too many good people like Emily, Nancy, Richard, and Dick feeling the need to defend themselves. You guys have done NOTHING wrong - you add to the room. I. for one, look forward to reading your posts and catching up on Chatham present and past. Judith, Alan, John I hear you - I'm all for moving on with Emily and the Tangle Man into the summer season.
Ben H
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 19:32:30
Emily: Your post wasn't considered unfriendly or offensive to me but given the timing of it, and in context with other surrounding posts, could be seen as such by some, which was unfortunate. So I certainly want you to stay here and contribute because your posts are welcome by me and that's really the key, ok? And just so you know: I thought it had been mentioned previously but Alsn currently lives in NJ but has spent lots of time in/around Chatham and thus his interest in my forum.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 19:15:30
This may be my last entey ever....because newcomer or old-timer, my most friendly question has always been....where do you live? No offense ever meant. Let's move on.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 18:57:01
I don't consider my latest entry re the "fog index" to be disrespectful. There is such a thing that writers can use to ensure clarity, and Alan was aware of it back before I first brought it up.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 16:53:52
I guess I can't say WHO, but a couple of recent responders about A.W. are way out in LEFT field, if you get my drift.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 16:37:42
I don't know how old any of the chatroom contributors are and I doubt any of you know how old I am. Old enough! But I suspect given his writing and experiences, that Alan is older than I am. When I have seen mean-spirited intolerance in this room, I've thought of my dad, and how upset I would be if people treated him disrespectfully because he might not always have made perfect sense to them. Everyone who knew him respected his brilliance and accomplishments. I don't think any of us personally know Alan or have even spoken with him with the exception of John. Alan is owed an apology. You know who you are.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 14:53:20
Alan: I agree that you haven't done any obvious 'bait' posts but as to rambling, I would say your mention of a cockpit shooting years ago to be a perfect example of that as it has NO connection to current topic or Chatham, ok?

Nancy: You're definitely one of the most senior members of this site but I would disagree on the use of "holier than thou" as I view it rather as posts made by a person with lots of scientific background, who's also got aviation knowledge and literary and music interests and maybe a tendency to write a bit more technically or detailed or off-topic than really needed here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 12:13:00
Whoa, I hope we can slow this stage coach down. Just a short note. First, the term bait, I never ever had any awareness of this and what some think I do.

Second,I very much appreciate any support that has come my way, however in a humble way, I am able to defend myself (on a website or otherwise)

When you see something, say something and Chatham could use a bit more of this. This kind of action first came to mind in 1973, when this guy I knew was very young and new to avaition. A company crew was shot in a DC-9 30 cockpit at Baltimore Airport' Call in rambling or what ever, but light was turned on long before the phase.

Judith, you way out on the limb for me and I thank you. John, you as well.
However Judith, I know that you are of the same mind and I trust your thinking and understanding of matters.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 11:22:18
John, I think you know me by now since I have been on this site since its inception and have never meant any harm to anyone, including Alan. It is just his "holier than thou" attitude which got to me. I still love fog......amen.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 11:06:31
Nancy, Dick, Ben, etal: I think John Hallgren has made his feelings known and should be respected. He "owns" the room, yet some of you seem to think this is a place only meant for people who grew up together to reminisce about days gone past. You are wrong.

Intolerance and lack of courtesy to someone you do not know, is really disgraceful in my opinion. I don't know many of the people in this room, and why they behave as they do. The attitudes and name calling from some are curious at best. The "natives" vs. wash-ashores position is an extremely narrow attitude. Most of the volunteers and elected officials in the town of Chatham were not born there. And there are people who were not born in Chatham who know much more about the history of the place than some natives. Think about it.

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 09:01:50
I have nick named him The Tangle Man and I enjoy the time I spend trying to untangle what he says.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 08:35:19
Ben H: I attempt to treat everyone here the same, even those who criticize me, (but have/will give slight preference to those whom I have met/spoken to compared to unknown ones) and take many factors into consideration as to how to handle a situation. Alan is NOT a "teachers pet" but I will defend his postings when I feel he is being unfairly attacked, ok?

We will probably disagree on a number of things but I found none of Alan's recent postings "bizarre, rambling" when compared to some others here. He's stayed on topic much more than before and his replies to comments on him were quite mild and restrained given how he was 'picked on'. I don't see his posts as "bait" either, when compared to what I see elsewhere. If you/others think they are, then why are folks responding to them, and in such a hostile-to-outsiders manner? When I get email from a true LOCAL supporting Alan, then i know I'm right in my approach.

Yes, some of his posts may be a bit wordy occasionally but have improved after our phone conversation. His background/career as a chemical engineer and a private pilot really needs to be considered when you read them. That helped me understand why he's posted some of what he did the way he did.

Honestly, I've also had some negative feedback from others regarding some of your prior posts but since you don't want to respond to me PRIVATELY as I have requested more than once, given your current post, I feel it's time to mention it publicly. I do still want you as a poster here but some of your criticisms on my ways of doing things have been a bit much.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 03:57:45
John your post is unfair at the very least - I have a better understanding for Alan now but consider this - Alan likes to practice both his literary and social skills by using this room (your room if you will) - His method is to treat this forum as a group therapy session and make bizarre, rambling statements designed to "bait" others in the group - When good people react and chastise him as they should, Alan always goes "See, I told you so" or "Your response shows you lack character" - He obviously enjoys it because he periodically returns to do it again - Meantime bleeding heart Judith surfaces in his defense and you as moderator chime in to treat Alan as the "teachers pet" just like grammar school all over again - I applaud Nancy and the others - Alan got what he wanted and asked for so he'll be back especially with you holding his hand - Meantime, how about you let the room get back on the roll it was on before he shows up again
and he will - When you say you found "NOTHING wrong" with his posts, you completely overlook the way he baits people and then acts in a superior fashion with his responses pointing out his knowledge of the fog index or aviation all in a rambling flower power way - this room should not be group therapy for Alan Wirsul, join us and contribute in a friendly way and we could care less where you live - Nancy, Richard, Dick, Emily despite John's statement many of us are strongly behind you and we get what you are saying

Ben H
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 03:19:54
Alan Wisrul: I really hope that you'll continue to post here. I found NOTHING at all wrong with any of your recent posts and NOTHING that deserved the negative comments you have received. And I will be deleting at least one of those posts a bit later. From our phone call a while back, which gave me a better understanding of your background and maybe why you write as you do, I think you are now being treated unfairly by some of the others here, and that's NOT ok with me.

Others: I received an email Friday eve from one of the regulars here who is a LOCAL and in part, wrote this:
"Very disrespectful posts from Nancy Ryder Petrus, her brother and Dick Fulcher

Several people have emailed me about how nasty they are to Mr. Wirsal".
Remember that one doesn't need to live in Chatham most of their life to post here. This is open to ALL, including those who may live elsewhere but who have visited/stayed here, so it's not a closed private group on Facebook, ok?

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 02:28:01
I won't say more, other than to say-a demonstration of Character
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/09/2017 - 23:59:12
Judith, Do you really want his nut case to continue posting?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 06/09/2017 - 20:07:11
And the friendliness keeps on coming.

Richard: Indeed I have full recognition of your Fog index and merely chose purposely to igor it. I not into suggested imposed means of writing.

Mr. Fulcher: You have already distingished yourself. My only question for you is that if I came to you for help, would you turn on me?

Ms. Cunningham is it? I was unaware that you had to establish demarcaton lines. Hence following of your question to that of Richard or Mr. Fulcher and you are in some vein search of where I live- Please note that to my understanding this is not necessary to contribute here.

I am not into appresive postures, but the inspiration of trying to do good.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 20:03:27
Alan, where do you live in Chatham?
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 18:52:21
Interesting that months ago I asked Alan if he knew of the "Fog index", which referred to the complexity of sentences. Like his.
Now we are back talking about real fog, Chatham type fog, marine fog for sure that doesn't burn off by noon.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 17:36:26
Alan, please don't let the unfriendly tone of some contributors discourage you from participating.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 16:27:21
Here we go again, with Alan.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 16:11:56
Indeed I do not know as much about Chatham as the natives, but I am finding out about the Ryder Nation of folks and the "friendly culture" that is extended to oursiders.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 11:26:36
Alan, A dear friend just mentioned to me that you seem to know more about Chatham than the rest of us natives, so could we please end this discussion?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 10:25:32
Fishermen that knew how to navigate without LORAN, RADAR, GPS, RDF etc., had a lot less competition during "Thicka Fog" events. I have never been referred to as a land fog lover. 8K days plus at sea and still counting.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 08:40:11
Good Evening Nancy:
I bet these family members have some stories to tell about fog. The key word for me is "concern." You probably are aware of this already, there are actually 6 major types of fog known to the weather guys. When you get the chance, you might ask your son about "Marine Fog"-its usually very thick, long lasting and yes can be found in Chatham. My guess (since I have not had the privilage of enjoying Chatham every day) you probably see more ground/radiation fog.

Concern means to me, that I become more acutely aware of the surrounding and the tools at hand, that might be available to guide me thru., as life could be a changing.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 22:47:41
Alan, Bob Ryder was a fisherman and our father a fisherman for 56 years out of Chatham Harbor. My son is a captain with Southwest Airlines. We know about fog........we still like it.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 20:36:30
Rarely have been too cold, but most times too hot. like In Guantanamo, in VA, in Boston, in Memphis for sure, in Vietnam, even in Eastham, when Chathamites are cool it can be hot in Eastham
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 19:26:12
Looks like a few weather watchers around. Temp. wise, I always saw July 18 a key date on the cape-Chatham or where ever. A couple of days before this date and 6-8 days afterwards, I always observed some very good weather with great temps. However when temp and dew point come between 3 degrees of each other, I always had concern. All you land Fog lovers would see it differently if you were outside the Chatham Channel on a boat or for that matter in the air over Chatham or Hyannis.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 19:23:31
I DO love the fog!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 14:50:22
Fiftyfive degrees and thick fog year-round would satisfy me.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 12:42:37
Yes, John, I remember that cold 4th of July. We were celebrating at our camp on North Beach but it was so cold we were all in long pants and sweatshirts. Every now and then we do get a cold and rainy summer to totally discourage our paying tourists. Hope this is not one of them.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 19:26:29
How I missed Chatham when I worked at Hendrie's Ice Cream Factory in Milton in the summer of 1958.!
Eight dollars a week for a rented room, with shared bath. No fan, wicked hot .No car. Chinese laundry down the street washed what few shirts I owned. Don't remember about any other garments.
I have progressed way beyond being too warm in the summer, and too cold in the winter.

Hendrie's at the time made all the ice cream for Stop and Shop. Their policy was eat all you want. That lasted about two weeks. After that, I just sampled infrequently.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 18:26:16
I remember a summer (1961?) when the sun never shone until one day today n August. Art Gould dropped the whole family at North Beach for the day........and the fog rolled over North Beaxh, while the church steeples were bathed in bright sunshine. The ultimate irony.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 11:46:58
Mornings were cool and the dew was stuck in the screens as the sun came up. The day was warm but not hot and after swimming, a sun-warmed towel was welcome. (On rainy days, Oyster Pond swimming lessons felt like shivering torture!!) My favorite time was right around 6PM when you would find your soft, comfy sweatshirt and put it on as the fog and chill rolled in. My wonderful Chatham......
Melissa
USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 09:59:45
Cold Summers! Yes they have always been cold. One Summer day in the mid 60s McBride the cop stopped me and said I was dressed improperly. He assumed I had nothing on under my CPO jacket- I had the wool jacket over my bathing suit.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 07:46:47
Does anyone remember the summer-at least 20-25 years ago when even the 4th of July was cold. I can remember wearing a coat to the parade. The summer did have some warm days, but almost no real beach days.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/05/2017 - 19:16:03
Remember today from 2-4:30 at DelMar is the Tim Roper celebration of life as published in obit.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/03/2017 - 08:38:14
The new boat at Coast Guard Chatham looks to be better suited for rescues in Pleasant Bay and Nantucket Sound than the 42 footers currently employed in Chatham. This is due to the fact that the 42 footers are prone to suck up sand and eelgrass in shallow waters.
The crew is excited about the boat and it's shallow water capabilities. The boat came from Lake Tahoe.
There are two presently on the grounds of Station Chatham, but one will soon be going to another station nearby.
All boats have their limitations.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 19:55:54
Or the Ospreys have obtained a gag order regarding further details on the location of their nest??? ;-)
Melissa
USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 14:41:30
Yes, because is it the case that everyone is going to see the Nest?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 12:56:35
Nothing shuts down a chat room like an osprey nest.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 10:55:35
HAs anyone seen the osprey nest at Veterans field?
Karhleen
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/30/2017 - 09:45:11
Interesting to note that a Memorial Service was held on the USS Intrepid today, the very same ship that my fellow Corpsman and close friend, HM3 Richard Gauthier, died while trying to save his shipmates. He was awarded posthumously the Navy and Marine Corps Medal. There is a seat in his memory on the Intrepid.

Another Richard friend, Col Richard Ellison, Province Senior Adviser, Kien Giang Province, was killed going down a canal in the daylight which I occasionally traversed in Vietnam. His name is on the wall in DC.
After so many years, their memories are still uppermost in my thoughts, especially on Memorial Day.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 18:02:31
Amazing as it may seem, today would have marked the 100 birthday of John F. Kennedy. No President since has matched the distinctive quality of his body politic style. Was he remembered today at the Chatham Memorial Day events?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 13:55:31
And to the families of those fallen heroes as well.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 13:20:01
Never forget those who sacrificed for our freedom.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 11:04:55
Second to BobR
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/26/2017 - 23:19:28
Welcome home, E and D. Nice to see the flag flying at your home.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/26/2017 - 17:25:21
When I worked at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop, (later the Frog Pond) across from the Ebb Tide Motel, one job I had was to turn men's trouser pockets inside out and brush them with a small brush. To remove pocket lint, etc. I suppose. Bishop's pants were notably short, and fishy. And bare of any bills or coins.
He was known to the fishermen as "Bishop."
But wasn't his first name Stanley?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/24/2017 - 20:02:35
Charlotte. Daughter of Howard & Margaret Bishop

(But Jim Dempsey, who mentioned him, isn't related to Ralph.)

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 18:32:26
Carl - I don't think we've met either, though I've very much enjoyed your contributions here on this board. I think you misinterpreted what I said -- my Dad hired Ralph Macdonald to build our house in West Chatham, back in 1958. I think you were talking about Ralph himself who I remember from when I was a kid and seemed to be a very nice guy. My Dad was pleased with the quality of the house he built for us, and I still own it to this day.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 14:25:43
Carl, Wasn't Bishop's daughter married to Ralph MacDonald?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 13:25:49
James Dempsey - I don't think I know you but I do remember your Dad being a fine builder and building those motels. Is there any chance that he was married to Bishop's (5K in hundred roll in his right hand pocket) the fish dealer's daughter - perhaps her name might have been Constance? or Connie? Very beautiful lady.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 12:33:46
On a stormy day in the spring of 1975, I took my boat, Gollum, out for some bass. I had a few herring left from the day before, and had stopped in Stage Harbor and caught some Pogies to keep the herring company in my live tank. The area I decided to fish was between where the bar was at that time, and Monomoy...good fast moving water when the tide turns. I was using 15lb. mono with lead line for backing. I caught 3 big stripers that day, 39, 40, and 42 lbs. And, yes, the biggest one escaped the gaff! I've never repeated that. When they stopped biting I headed in and handed my receipt to Millie ,then headed to the Squire.
Bill
MO USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 09:32:49
Ralph Macdonald built the house for my Dad in West Chatham in 1958. He also built Sea In The Rough and Handkerchief Shoals, among others. He once caught a very big striper and brought it by to show it off to my dad, in 1959. Here's that photo: http://serenity.jjd.com/Images/1959-ralph-macdonald.jpg Looks at least as big as the 64 lb one!
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 13:16:05
The largest bass I remember seeing was caught by Tim Hartnett, back in 1974. He had it mounted and it hung in his father's house in Riverbay. Does anyone else remember this and/or the weight? Pretty sure it was in the 60+ range.
Bill
MO USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 12:44:58
Photo of said big bass: http://bit.ly/big-bass
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 11:40:41
Col Jim - saw something on the internetz of someone catching a 64lb striper over near the canal this week.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 11:37:44
Bingo - called the "Deadman's hand". Good catch Jim - thought I'd killed he interwebz for a few moments....

Anyone catching any stripers yet? Schoolies should be in.

JimP
USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 20:06:11
I think Jim was referring to Wild Bill Hickock who was preported to be holding the Aces & Eights hand when it was killed.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 18:27:21
JimP: Whose gravesite?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 17:38:03
Carl, we visited his gravesite in Deadwood when we were in South Dakota - neat place. Some pretty interesting characters buried there.
JimP
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 18:54:01
Aces and eights.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 13:04:46
It wasn't a body they found at Saquatucket Harbor, it was THIS ROOM!
Ben H
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 10:10:25
Good to hear Carl I had been looking for you in the Norwegian Funny Papers
Ben H
USA - Wed 05/17/2017 - 16:04:21
After several inquires I do not think it is me.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 05/17/2017 - 00:27:08
A couple photos and very little information about the body found at Saquatucket Harbor can be seen here. http://www.capecod.com/cape-wide-news/fire-rescue-and-police-respond-to-body-at-saquatucket-harbor/ (If you have trouble with copy/paste, here's a shorter link: http://bit.ly/2qGHliv )
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 16:12:59
Wishing All Mothers out there a Very Happy Mother's Day and may your faces light up with gladness! (Taken from the Song "Smile" originally done in 1936 by Chapman and later by Nat King Cole, Michael Jackson, and Rod Stewart. Mom's you might want to Utube this one.
So today is the day to SMILE!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 12:51:45
Does anyone know who died in Saquatucket Harbor this morning? A lot of Chatham boats up there.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 12:48:05
I understand the sea is a rolling in Chatham. The election is over, no one says much, so now its time to move on, but here's a good one for all: We can believe what we choose, we are answerable for what we choose to believe.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 22:55:40
I was gonna ask if Bob had commandeered the ship and was planning to skipper the rest of the cruise.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 19:01:29
The sea she is a'rollin but Captain Bob has it under control!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 11:24:13
Chronicle FB post says Cory Metters has been elected as Chairman of BOS. Given his prior experience at Planning Board, it's going to be well run meetings, I believe.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/12/2017 - 09:58:34
Updated: She had 1,289 to his 706. That's quite a victory. Hope things improve on BOS now.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:33:15
Chronicle reports that Shareen Davis won the election. No vote count given in the FB post.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:29:02
Sylvia Fulcher - and now you may know the rest of the story. Happy trails ahead!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:18:43
I'm not sure I qualify, but I know I never pull strings.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 19:03:29
Alan - proud to be one!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 14:27:15
John Whelan/Emily:
Democracy is great, but you have to recognize its limitation. Facetious or not, the ancient Greeks (Spartans) were aware of the flaws where they referred to the "string pullers" as the minor arts of wire pulling. Even within this room, it is clearly obvious that you also have the "good old boy gang" Chatham card carrying members and they are easily identifiable.

To this end, Chatham people, go out and exercise your right to vote as there are many on this site, who provided the assistance for you to do so.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 10:36:38
I like both candidates and feel as though each of them are worthy of consideration. If Seth is ousted, though, who will champion the Monomoy issue(s)? Anyone have that answer? Good luck to both of them.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 17:34:31
The following quote is taken directly from Seth at the debate. Verify on channel 18 if you would like.

: "I ask you all to look around the town of Chatham and tell me if you have a year round business that has to pay the level of taxes a marijuana shop is going to pay. And they are going to find a profitable business in the town of Chatham. This is something that is going to be legal in the town of Chatham...Is it going to be a problem in the winter time, of course not..Is it going to be more exciting in the summertime, it sure is... Pot is gonna be legal...It is irrelevant when and if it becomes legal because I don't know any 98-year-olds who will be smoking bones." He also said Massachusetts has always been known for its Blue Laws and they should have been buried years ago"

Clearly, his attempt to paint himself as anti legal marijuana and Shareen as for it was an effort to pander to chatham majority who don't support it. The bottom line is that they both essentially said similar things and to suggest otherwise is being untruthful.

Sean <srsummer@comcast.net >
USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 14:06:52
I'm afraid there are voters who count on a certain few to be involved, and speak at Town Meeting. And despite the opportunity to state one's opinion, not everyone is comfortable doing so. It takes a bit of courage, despite wobbly knees and the realization there will be criticism by some. But, it is SO important to pay attention and be involved.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 10:32:55
I see some towns have their Town Meetings on Saturday. Maybe that would be something to consider for the future. It's very hard for folks who are up early and work all day - especially those with families to try to attend evening meetings. I would much more appreciate the opportunity of attending one on a Saturday instead of working al day then going in the evening - and I know I speak for others as well.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 06:13:25
Emily, I don't know what is flawed about the system. The ability to state one's position is available to all. It is transparent. Few government decisions at all levels are as fair. Please tell me how it is flawed.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 22:35:49
John...my point exactly! Shame on me for not attending Town Meeting this year after 3 generations of love of this town.,way back to 1880. But the system is flawed....and the "big_wiga" know it! What EVER HAS HAPPENED.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:59:27
I know that many people have strong feelings about some of the issues decided at Chatham's Town Meeting. Some feel their beliefs have been validated and some feel their position was unfairly denied. That is not my issue. My issue is the integrity of the Town Meeting system. To my knowledge, all interested voters can attend and participate in our Town Meeting. Each and every voter has his or her right to address the meeting and to vote on the issue. To me, that is the purest form of democracy available anywhere. So any talk of 220 votes out of 6000
is, to my way of thinking, just so much talk. We should do all we can to preserve the Town Meeting form of government.

john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:28:11
It does require a lot of patience to sit at Town Meeting, but it is one thing I miss. I started going to Town Meeting at the age of 13 and learned much about the way our town works. Many people couldn't care less about the proceedings, but it's the best way to direct what happens to where you live, or to at least make an attempt.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:07:40
Thank you, Elaine.....I simply wanted to point out how the few are able to decide for the many! Who is to blame? I cannot venture a guess, but my husband I have voted (absentee) for a candidate we feel will intelligently continue a fight for all of Chatham and has " a dog in the fight". My firngers are crossed.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:47:35
Selectman Taylor is against them.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:25:24
Judy P. To add to your reference re: the alleged "smear campaign"- which is defined as "false accusations", I'm confused by that moniker floating around. .No one can debate that Shareen is for them and Seth is against Selectman Taylor. Pot shops will likely be the single biggest social issue facing every community this year. Since legalization was defeated in Chatham 58%-42%, I think we can conclude that at least 58% would be opposed to pot shops in Chatham. However the Chronicle neglected to report that Shareen stated this position in both debates- one on video of 4-20-17 at the League f Women Voters. i think we can all agree that an informed citizenry is always better for democracy.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:23:30
Emily. If I understood your comment, i agree with you that its pretty sad that so few show up at town meeting to determine how millions are spent. A $31 Million appropriation for wastewater expansion( mostly for 137 for Harwich) , and as much as our entire Operating Budget, passed with less discussion than pickle ball. As far as the Intermunicipal Agreement with Harwich, I'd just say I'm really glad none of those 220 who voted for it are my Financial Advisor. I'd be bankrupt in short order.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:03:18
Debbie - do you want to continue this dialogue about exaggeration? I happen to be the recipient of an email you're sending around saying that there's a smear campaign going on against Shareen saying how if pot is sold in Chatham her opponents are claiming we are trying to work people into a frenzy by stating Shareen is for organized crime and homelessness. Seriously? You may want to get your facts straight before you post on here . We all conveniently noticed how you never responded to my question - silence is complacency. Maybe your grandchildren will venture into a pot shop and buy their wares and bring some home to you.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:30:56
P.S Debbie. The Chronicle stated it was 61. They must be wrong.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:19:17
It is reminiscent of the 7000 cars that drive down Stage Harbor Rd every day.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:16:41
Elaine: It was stated that under 400 out of 6000 (total) voters supported. So I stated that 60 out of 6000 (total) voters opposed. Sorry about the one vote. We can discuss exaggeration of numbers after the election.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:05:15
Oops typo - should have said when will town require - sorry
Great catch Elaine -

JudyP
W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:56:25
Read online one comment today about the horrible deal that was negotiated for this - couldn't agree more - but as Debbie says democracy rules. Interesting how some things can become non binding when the "powers that be" don't like the outcome. This was indeed a horrible deal that Chatham will end up paying greatly for a long time to come. Would be interested to learn when CBI and that stretch of roadway will be forced to hook up. The town seems to be baking the small users hook up first - which makes no sense
JudyP
W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:46:48
FYI Debbie. The vote was 220-61. Not 6000-61. This exaggeration of numbers is ringing a bell.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:43:20
60 out of 6000 opposed it. Democracy in action!
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:32:28
Arrgh! Wilth over 6000 voters in Chatham, under 400 voted to approve the sewer deal with Harwich. Something stinks!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:15:46
Carl: Is your Indian Hill neighbor as old as you? Or was she a former neighbor from many years ago?Are you both old?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 17:41:14
Best wishes for a speedy recovery for my old Indian Hill Road neighbor - Miss San Francisco. Now guess that one!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 13:13:18
As a kid, I loved to peel and chew on a fresh stalk of rhubarb. Expected to love rhubarb pie and practically gagged on it!!! Ironically, I am not usually a fan of the "sour" food/drink experience and rhubarb pie adds sugar. In every other instance, I absolutely LOVE pie. Not...this...time... :-\
Melissa
USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 10:41:22
Lisa, thanks. We too always referred to it as Andrew Harding's Lane, and all mail ever sent home seemed to get there. In later years when our street number got changed from the "43" it always was, to something like "56", the change became apparent to me. Does the street sign have the s on the end? Regardless, it has always been a special place, especially back when Walter Eldredge and then Art Gould had "Boats to let". On a side note, our garden too had rhubarb in it, and whether it was her love or the raisins she put in hers, Aunt Betty's rhubarb was always delicious! And nothing like a strawberry/rhubarb pie!
Bill
MO USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:53:17
For the first time in fifteen years, I won't be in the bleachers at ATM, as not arriving until this afternoon so have things to do in Yarmouth tonight...oh well...will watch on video later.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:45:01
I note that the assessor lists Eliphalets (oops Eliphamets) with no apostrophe. Maybe it's that way for all "possessive" streets. Wondering why the name was changed. Maybe Andrew used it as a path to the beach from his store.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:01:14
The assessor's office lists the lane without an s but we have always referred to it as Andrew Hardings Lane even though Andrew Harding never owned it and his store was at 151 Main. I don't think he ever lived on the street. On an old map, it once was Mullet Street. No lifeguards in red chairs at Lighthouse Beach.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 08:22:20
Could be Richard. My sons hate tomatoes. I grow lots of them and I love them. But, I never forced them to eat them.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 18:46:08
Judith:
If your household was shy of sugar, then I can see why you might have an aversion to stewed rhubarb. Or maybe body chemistries react differently to such things. My wife is not an aficionado of rhubarb, but somehow I was born to like it.
Rubub

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 18:00:43
Rubub: This brought back a memory. My parents had an enormous garden, with rhubarb planted along the driveway. I HATED stewed rhubarb, but my siblings and I had to finish everything served us. All my friends would be out playing and I would be gagging on that awful rhubarb. Later, when I was learning to drive, back and forth up and down the driveway I "accidentally" ran over the rhubarb. Never ate it again. It is pretty though.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 17:01:46
Jake Worth was an auto mechanic at Chase Chevrolet (now Bank Of America ) on Old Harbor Road.Jake was stationed with my grandfather in the Coast Guard at Monomoy around 1917-1918. It was years later that I knew that Jake had been in the CG.
This time of year, when rhubarb is coming in, I think of him. He'd buy our extra stalks, so I became "Rubub" to him.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 15:30:07
Jim P is right this is a decision for the informed voters of Chatham to make. I can guarantee one thing though and that is that there will be not one teaspoon less Marijuana consumed in Chatham if pot shops are prohibited. To quote one of the Chowderman's favorites "Just because thou art virtuos shall there be no more cakes and ale!"
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
W. Chatham , MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 14:49:09
I don't think I would want to arm wrestle with JimP - or brain wrestle either!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 11:13:03
wasn't the halfway house a little shack literally "halfway" between life-saving stations? A place of refuge for the surfmen out walking foot patrol within their sector? I recall talking with Jake Worth about that stuff many years ago. Man...got a great education from listening to him and some of the other old-timers.

My commentary on the legalization was not a pro or con stance; just my observations from an area I knew fairly well: Colorado Springs. I would urge people to exercise diligence and do their own research. Legalization is NOT the fiscal panacea many advocates claim. the secondary and tertiary costs of legalization often dwarf the revenue generated; not to mention the social issues that arise.

Some areas it may be fine; others...not so much. Is it right for Chatham? I'd let the voters decide armed with accurate information from recent jurisdictions that have done so.

As to discourse, please keep things civil - we can all disagree on many things. Life would be boring were we to all agree on everything; but let's keep the discourse civil. There's a whole lot of really good people here with whom I may disagree, but they are still really good people.

JimP
USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 09:42:19
I remember when Halfway House was moved to Forest Beach in the late 1980's by Mr. Baker. It's probably there to stay. I'm happy that it was saved...one of the few iconic structures that remain in our town. It had been named to the National Register of Historic Places prior to being moved.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 07:59:40
Debbie, the Halfway House still resides in Chatham...just not on the same beach. And, for those of you that do not know me, BobR is Robert Smith Ryder, born in October of 1941, and except for a few years abroad have called Chatham "home" ever since.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 04:48:03
Bill M, I don't need you or anyone else in this room to lecture me about what drugs can do to families. I have been there. I support Shareen for many other reasons, a primary one being that she is respectful of others and their opinions.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 23:25:05
Debbie - just curious here - do you or do you not support pot shops in Chatham? I think we'd all be curious to hear your response.
JudyP
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 22:41:58
Disingenuous? I don't know Bill M., Ben H., Bob R, Glenn S. or Bill N.. But, I do think these are probably real people unlike "Steve Harding" and "George Hamilton".

There's something really odd and presumptuous about a person afraid to use his or her real name, but will endorse a candidate. It's not as though "Steve Harding" is a respected member of the community who lends credibility, integrity or authority with an endorsement. IMO.

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 22:17:26
OK Judy, I guess I need to explain again. Scroll down and you'll see that Bill M. addressed "Anonymous Steve". So I thought it was pretty disingenuous, where he's also anonymous. I'll leave it at that.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 21:36:57
Debbie - I just don't understand why you feel the need to argue with everyone in here. It is as tiring as George's posts. Who cares? People have expressed their opinions about having pot shops in Chatham and it's safe to say the majority of residents do not want them . Regardless of who Bill M. is he wrote an extremely well thought out post as did others.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 21:23:59
I take it that you and others know who Bill M. is? Fair is fair, IMHO.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:24:23
Debbie: Why have you referred to Bill M. as "Anonymous Bill M."? Seriously. I don't think I've ever seen you refer to "Steve Harding" or "George Hamilton" this way.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:18:20
Anonymous Bill M.: This discourse has me perplexed. Your candidate has even been quoted as saying that the discussion is premature.
I bit of nostalgia from 1959: Halfway House on the beach between the Hawes House Beach and Andrew Harding's Beach. Wishing it could be brought back, now that the beach has built up again.

Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:01:32
Bill M. -Roll call
"Steve Harding"
I don't know how a candidate can say in one breath we need to bring in more young families to Chatham, and in the next support pot shops. A really great way to create ANOTHER "challenge facing young people"-AND their parents. The negative impact on property values alone would be profound and irreversible. I would personally never buy a home in any town with pot shops, exposing my grandchildren to an environment as described by Jim P. It would be grossly irresponsible. Nor do I think "pot shops" made the Chamber of Commerce's top 50 list for "rebranding" Chatham. But "rebranded" it will be. To imply that to embrace "diversity" requires being accepting of pot shops, and all it's very serious negative implications for a community, is taking "spin" to an absurdly, laughable level, if it weren't so serious. I'm frankly floored that anyone would even attempt to rationalize it's support under the guise of "diversity" and having a "broad perspective". I refuse to embrace it and won't be "shamed" into it, by you or anyone else. And shame on you for trying, whoever you are. It is a bridge, once crossed, that will change Chatham forever- and not for the good, for anyone, by any standard.

Elaine
USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 18:57:00
Anybody who thinks that it is a good idea to have Pot Shops in any community is not looking out for the best interests of the entire community. It may be good for business for someone. But, it is a loser for society. This is not a slap against Shereen, I thing she is a good person.. let's think about the kids in this town.
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 16:06:38
Can you two really support a candidate such as this with a straight face? Both of you? It is laughable and seems to clearly indicate that you and every other person that may be supporting Shareen Davis, have no problem with marijuana sales in Chatham. George, do you know what drugs do to young families? Have you any concept of how drugs can decimate a community? HA! HA! HA! Let me fall off my chair laughing! What you have is a candidate that is telling the voters of Chatham that it's ok to have drugs in our community.

There is no whitewashing this one. She said what she said. Unfortunately for George and Steve, they can't change that.

Please... who in this chat room would even consider exposing our community to the horrors of drugs by voting for Shareen Davis? Please, let's get a roll call.

Bill M.
Chatham, MA, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 15:10:05
George Myers & Anonymous Steve,

This room was just getting back to normal but you two want to serve us up some more political slop. So, ok. game on.

I just watched the League of Women Voters event and here is what Shareen Davis said: "People think this is an up and coming industry all over the country. We shouldn't be dismissive of the idea. Why don't we take advantage of that and hopefully we see some businesses in town that will be able to sell marijuana. "

Everyone should watch it.

Bill M.
Chatham, MA, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 15:09:33
Mr. Harding:
Your Choreographing maneuver turns on a metaphoric light switch within me
"Don't count your chickens before they hatch"

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 12:17:14
5 days to go to Election Day. Shareen Davis continues to demonstrate her willingness to listen to differing opinions of the issues. She clearly shows her knowledge of the challenges facing working people, young and old, obviously since she and her family have first hand experience. It is this broad perspective that will make her a great asset for Chatham's diverse community when she is elected on Thursday.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 10:38:54
Just an observation on the legality of pot: I've been stationed at Fort Carson twice (Colorado Springs); spent 5 years there prior to the enactment of the marijuana laws a couple years ago.
In our meanderings about the country, we spent a month camping at the Air Force Academy (sorry Ben) back in October. Colorado Springs used to be a vibrant, eclectic and wonderful community - really neat little city. It has been overrun by bums and vagrants seeking the permissiveness of the lax drug laws. EVERY single corner in downtown CS has panhandlers seeking money....EVERY SINGLE CORNER.

When previously there, Jen felt perfectly safe to wander around downtown and do her thing on off days. She said she wouldn't venture down there now unless me or our 220 pound dog was with her. Kind of sad. And, I'm not even mentioning the concomitant crime rate and illegal "grow-house" statistics.

Just food for thought.

JimP
USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 08:48:56
I am not going to get into this with you George except to say that at the Chatham Alliance forum this week Seth again said he was opposed, and Shareen said she was for pot shops. Hundreds of people were present for the comments at the two forums which I trust you were not. Take it or leave it. It is what it is.
Elaine
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 20:29:07
Elaine, Difficult to arrive at that conclusion based on his LWV responses. In fact, he Joked about marijuana use.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 20:12:26
I lived well below the arresting gear, but the 1000 lb bombs being rolled around in the hangar bay on the Intrepid were just feet over my head. I was on the Intrepid when two A-1's (prop planes) shot down at least one Russian MIG, a jet. Cool stuff.
Ben, I give you a lot of credit for landing on a carrier deck, multiple times, in a "steuff" as well as an A-4.. There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no old and bold pilots. I have some movies I shot of various carrier landings, as well as movies of crossing the Equator and crew members becoming Shellbacks.
Sorry, this is not Chatham news or history. Just encouraging Ben to tell some more sea stories.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 19:48:28
When I was at Umass my advisor was David Porter, a very bright and kind man. After receiving my Master's Degree at Wesleyan I returned to UMass, at age now 29, and looked up David. He asked me what I had learned at Wesleyan and I told him that I had learned how to read. He knew exactly what I meant, put his hand on my shoulder and congratulated me.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 18:11:15
"To be fair" George, Selectman Taylor is on record that he is opposed to pot shops in Chatham, Ms Davis is on record at LWV that "hopefully we will see some businesses in town that will be able to sell marijuana." I think the difference between those two positions is crystal clear.
Elaine
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 17:28:54
Carl - interesting! Thank you and Ben for your reminiscing- I always enjoyed hearing the stories folks mentioned near Camp Avalon as well. Not too many folks here now that remember that or the blimp coming to Chatham.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:59:58
Carl/Ben:
I see again that we might have something in common with your Umass venture, but difficult for me to relate it to Chatham except to say there may be a few chemists out in the township. At Umass, there was a Professor Louis Carpino who taught out of the Lederle Building (he must be about 86 now, but I know he was teaching into is late 70's). His work centered around the construction of Peptides and Med Chemistry. He is responsible for 1000's of jobs and more, around the Pharma world-remarkable mind, great guy!

Ben: Few People have the chance to what you were doing, coming back from Chatham, did you ever miss the arrestor lines? Forget about missing them, what was the experience that may have caused you to cr... in your pants the most?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:56:24
Judy, As you well know a political contribution to a candidate does not establish that the candidate agrees with every position of the contributor. If that were true, Chatham would hardly move forward under Mr. Taylor as many of his most ardent supporters are CAVE people (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)(joke). BTW, looks like about 40% of Mr. Taylor's financial support is from himself.

To be fair, Judy, both Ms. Davis and Mr. Taylor acknowledged the inevitability of a "pot shop" in Chatham in light of state law that will allow them. Mr. Taylor noted that if Chatham didn't have a pot shop, Chatham people will just go to Harwich to buy it. I don't think he would want to forgo the taxes a Chatham pot shop would bring to Chatham coffers.

Sorry folks, but Judy started it.

George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:37:14
Ben and Alan -when I was in Rota, Spain in the Navy with a very high clearance for classified material and I carried a .38 Ruger Courier and the A4 would land on the tarmac and I and my LTJG Frank Paskert would pick up the material and transport it back to HQ. I always enjoyed reading the ONI Office of Naval Intelligence (coded Secret) and what was happening with the Russians off of North Beach. When I came across the red paper for Top Secret and it said "For US Eyes Only" my knees trembled a bit but it was interesting although I did not understand much of it. It was a nice firearm they gave me to carry and if I agreed to reenlist they would make me a YN2500 which was a secret agent with a CID designation for civilian in disguise Fortunately the Sirens of Umass attracted me more and at age 22 I went to college.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 15:01:18
The Chronicle's Facebook page is posting a link to the Town website to show who is supporting the candidates and the amounts of their contributions. No surprises the developers are supporting Ms. Davis who also said she would support pot shops in Chatham at the League of Woman Voters Forum. I know folks are fed up with the political posts on here; however one should know who they're voting for and their positions on certain topics.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 14:12:34
Hey Alan 3 aircraft carriers in northeast back then USS Intrepid (now a museum in NYC)and USS Lake Champlain in Quounset Pt, USS Wasp in Boston (because JFK wanted one carrier in Boston). Each carrier had A1 Skyraiders, E1 Hawkeyes, S2 Trackers, and A4 Skyhawks (A4 was the only jet aircraft - meant to counter the threat of the Russian Bear aircraft flyovers in the North Atlantic as in early Top Gun). I flew the S2 and A4. How does this relate to the Cape? We totally blew up the James Longstreet relic off Brewster on training missions with our rockets and at night we had a mega candlepower searchlight which would expose and scatter beach parties (some even forgot to gather their clothes) when we came in low towards their campfire and lit them off at the last minute. All in good fun and best interests of training and proficency.
Ben H
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 11:31:06
Oh my - - totally forgot that place!! I don't think we were allowed to go there - too many "older" kids.. LOL Not a clue about Harding v Harding's . . sorry
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 10:43:26
Judy, the "Inner Beach" I was referring to was located in the basement of the Episcopal Church, summers of '67-'68 I believe. However, I spent countless hours working and playing within the confines of the one you are referring to! Many hours spent skim boarding the low water flats at Andrew Harding's Lane. Speaking of, when referred to, it was always with the "S" at the end of Harding. However I was told it was officially just "Harding". Any clarification?
Bill
MO USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 10:01:59
So, was it an A1E Skyraider at RI or the latter vieweed replacement Grumman A-6 Intruder?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 23:09:24
Sure did Richard 1962-64 Quonset Pt RI Now we're probably both in trouble for reminiscing about naval carrier aviation - bound to offend someone
Ben H
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:56:29
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ca, CA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:06:05
Ben H: Did you ever land or take off from the USS Intrepid, my former home for 2 years? 1965-1967
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 19:52:59
I remember the abandoned USCG station on the outer beach being a treasure trove for a 6 year old boy - I found a set of flash cards with photos of enemy aircraft and submarines. With my father being at sea on a destroyer escort for the entire war, I used my imagination as to how he was helping keep us safe from the U Boats.He later told me there were no heroics just constant seasickness. We weren't allowed to swim near the current that summer after Billy Cleary and a visiting friend got swept away by it - he knew enough not to panic and ended up OK but she fought it and was drowning when old Mr Johnson (definitely too old to be a lifeguard) watching from his lawn somehow got to her and dragged her ashore - they put her on a door and started trying to revive her when Doc Keene came roaring up the road to Ministers Point just in time to save her. I had a tremendous respect for rip tides and strong currents after watching that.
Ben H
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 16:10:31
It's that time of year for me to be on-the-road for a few days so since I won't have Net access as much, y'all please be kind to each other and try to follow the rules while I'm not able to check in, ok? Thanks!
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:49:36
Most of my memories come from the end of Andrew Hardings Lane but when we ventured "across the current" it was good times. The shoreline view. Raked clams for the 1st time. Enjoyed finding remains of camp fires, thinking how much fun the "pirate cook-outs" must have been. :-)
Melissa
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:32:01
Bill - I remember there was so much of it!! We'd clam there then go over and swim the Outer. I can't believe there was so much beach then and so little now. Those were the best of days. John - I was mistaken about the red chairs - still need to do some research on that. Maybe it was the Beach Club. . . .
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:00:19
Speaking of nostalgia and the outer beach, does anyone else remember the "Inner Beach"?
Bill
MO USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 09:57:50
I don't remember lifeguards at Lighthouse Beach. Sometimes there were waves. The Beach Club had a lifeguard. The outer beach was growing to the south.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 08:36:19
Wayne - I'll have to ask my friend and get back to you. Perhaps we were thinking of something else but we both remembered red lifeguard chairs. Go figure - thanks!
JudyP
West Chatham , MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 16:12:26
Judy, Please be nice. It was not an "announcement". The announcement came with Judith's post that preceded mine. (Note her town designation.) Anyway, I hope that current topics will continue to be posted along with nostalgia.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 16:01:03
Judy, I grew up summers on Andrew Harding's Ln.in the 50's and 60's and do not remember lifeguards at Lighthouse Beach.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 15:36:27
I'm sure Debbie. Now that we've exhausted politics and the aviation industry, can we please get back to the nostalgia? Maybe if folks are actually friends, your type of "announcement" would be best sent by email.

Who can answer this? I seem to remember years ago - in the 60's perhaps - there were lifeguards at the Lighthouse Beach. Does anyone remember if that was so? I asked my mother a long time ago and she didn't remember, but one of my friends said she vaguely remembered it as well. Does anyone recall that?

Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:50:44
Just congratulating. Thought I was being nice. Oh well...
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:38:48
Reading your posts - sorry!!! Can't hear them from here. LOL
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:28:30
Judith - doesn't matter where you live - we enjoy reading your posts! Like Ben, and Mr. Ryder who lived here and no longer do. Not sure why Debbie felt the need to publicize that - probably to make sure we are all aware that you are no longer a citizen of Chatham. Nonetheless - I enjoy hearing your posts!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:26:35
It's aviation Judith made sense to Alan who understands the rewards of helping others learn the joys of flying - Does it apply to this room? A big no - simply points out the rambling philosophy from Alan
I am a nostalgia guy - hope we go back to that

Ben H
USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 13:09:08
Judith: Congratulations on your new home. I was very surprised to note the real estate transactions in the Chronicle.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 06:29:09
Alan: I very much appreciate your kind comments. Thank you.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 22:16:03
Ben H, I never met Judith Winters other than on this site, however my observations of Judith is that she thinks in a fashion of doing what's right and wishes to make a positive contribution to Chatham in any way possible. She serves as a beacon of light to the Chatham community as well as this site.
Judith follows a path pf principal!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 20:20:15
Judith: The references to aviation made sense to both Ben and Alan as both have connections to that field in various ways.

Ben H: Sorry but I believe that your comments re Judith are certainly within the definition of a personal attack which I don't allow here. And the comments re Alan and pharmaceuticals were also out of line. I do like to have you participating here but not when you're making comments about people directly like that. Not sure what's going on but some other recent postings have been borderline and I've tolerated it but may not be able to in future.

Alan: I don't believe that your initial post of this series was at all rambling as Ben H says, esp when compared to some prior ones. I think he owes you an apology.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 18:32:08
And that, ladies and gentlemen showed a complete lack of civility, courtesy or understanding of John's rules. The comment about Alan, "carrier landings", "100 night", etc. made no sense.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 16:34:01
Judith I don't know you but based upon your responses in this room I think you are a complete "priss" as in a prissy old schoolmarm or librarian - you wait in the weeds until you can criticize someone or something - always criticism never a positive thought or a thank you
Alan tried it liked it so much I ended up with thousands of hours 300 carrier landings 100 night taught more than a few along the way You are correct it is rewarding
That's the first post from you in here which I understood - keep it up

Ben H
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 16:17:44
Ben H:
I assure you Ben H., there is no hallucinating going on here, on the contrary, I worked on a volunteer basis for 15 years with with our local youth services and alliance committee to prevent what you are suggesting. Even more so, I took on the challenge of the most bullied and lost students in the community, working with the school and the local airport to established a first flight program. Something that could easily be done in Chatham, if there was not so much bickering taking place. Nothing like the first time experience of lifting a plane off the ground and seeing a young person have self worth. You may wish to try it sometime instead of your disrespectful nonsense.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 15:34:31
Judith, Tolerance for other points of view, and means of expression are good qualities in anyone.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 15:21:41
The hill overlooked Stage Harbor from Champlain Road Town Landing. Go take a look. I went with either Frannie or Nancy.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 13:32:46
I found my thrill on Blueberry Hill
On Blueberry Hill when I found you
The moon stood still on Blueberry Hill
And lingered until my dreams came true
(The wind in the willow played
Love's sweet melody
But all of those vows we made
Were never to be)
Though we're apart, you're part of me still
For you were my thrill on Blueberry Hill
(I found my thrill)
Come climb the hill with me, baby
(on Blueberry Hill)
We'll see what we shall see
(on Blueberry Hill)
I'll bring my horn with me
(when I found you)
I'll be wit' you where berries are blue
(the moon stood still)
Each afternoon we'll go
(on Blueberry Hill)
Higher than the moon we'll go
(and lingered until)

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 13:27:45
Ben, your less than subtle inference re pharmaceuticals is uncalled for. Tolerance for other points of view, and means of expression are good qualities in ambassadors and people who contribute to this room. BTW, I don't think anyone has cornered the market on song lyrics.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 10:41:37
Alan I believe you mean well and wish to make a contribution to this room but unfortunately your submissions are rambling - almost as if you loaded up on "pharmaceuticals" and then tried to inspire us with your philosophy. Please find a point and stick to it so we can understand you. Yes Chatham needs ambassadors and Yes John Whelan has lived his life as a great ambassador for Chatham. Please leave the Louis Armstrong lyrics to the Chowderman with his version of Blueberry Hill.
Ben H
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 10:24:47
Unfortunately, moving "forward" does not always mean "getting better"...just sayin'.
Melissa
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 09:40:14
John Whelan is an excellent ambassador for Chatham. I note that he's moderating a Selectman Candidates' Forum this Thursday. Good luck John!
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 08:56:38
Folks:
What Chatham needs is ambassadors. You can epitomize the idea of nostalgia. However, while you may wish you could experience it again, why can you not grasp and embrace, that you could contribute for living in a world that is better, than the one we came from.
And oh yes, politics is not the end all. While you may not influence 10,000 people in your life time, find 10 and share a positive experience.
"I see Trees of Green, Red Roses too. I think to myself, what a wonderful world.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 07:38:42
...and speaking of competitive politics, 10 more days! Hopefully those of us who live here aren't fed up!
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 18:59:48
Carl. "Outdoor" definitely didn't start in Chatham today. I was hoping to dance around the maypole, but it was not to be.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 18:24:27
Yea, I come on here for the nostalgia. . .as I live right outside of Washington, D.C., I am "fed up" will all politics!! :-)

I do imagine though that the local politics for positions on the Cape can get pretty competitive in their own right!

Mike Crosman <crosmanmj@verizon.net>
College Park, MD USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 17:10:10
Hooray! Hooray! It;s the first of May.
Outdoor ....... starts today.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 09:42:31
Thanks Bob. My posts are always respectful. Stay tuned.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/30/2017 - 19:29:50
Don't run Debbie. I am one that follows most of the chat here and to a certain extent enjoy it. There's room for non-denigrating political chat.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/30/2017 - 16:35:55
Got it. So much for present Chatham. See above.
Debbie
Chatham,, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 20:34:46
Nostalgia is how and why this site was founded.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 20:28:45
Ok, guess I need to defer to nostalgia. Over and out.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:34:32
Two whole days after your entry on the 27th , with no comments from anyone..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:32:43
Richard, Since it's so easy to see, I'd like to know why you think Chatham politics discussion tends to shut things down.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:18:00
Easy to see how the Chatham politics topic tends to shut down much discussion.

Learned recently that Ross Gould was employed by Ruby (Bloomer) and Castell Kelley at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop in West Chatham, as I was. So, there must have been many others. Wasn't Betty Bearse there when I was there? Older employed women were Mary Baker and Gladys Nickerson, who folded and packaged finished laundry. This was back in the mid 50's. The place later became the Frog Pond.
Cas was the son of Joseph C. Kelley, the Keeper at Monomoy Point Station in 1902. I used to cut his widow Chestina's grass. Should have asked more questions of her.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 18:08:14
This is Article 38. The IMA doesn't require Town Meeting approval by State Law. So I guess the outcome must be non-binding.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 20:20:37
Totally agree. I have to say I am impressed with how the Harwich Selectman really went to bat for their people. Too bad Chatham's didn't and are only able to see dollar signs. Harwich stands to gain much more than Chatham ever will and as pointed out in the article - it never will end. Sad that so many folks don't see the writing on the wall. Town Meeting will decide - but one better hope that it is a BINDING vote.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:54:41
Guess we need to see how this plays out at Town Meeting. Meanwhile, I stand by my comments.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:47:50
Debbie - if you read Elaine's article carefully - you'll see it makes absolutely no sense to venture into that "muck". Just because one is an attorney doesn't mean they are necessarily correct. There is another attorney who posts here frequently and his judgement leaves little to be desired. I question the other individual who clearly can't even figure out what a conflict of interest is in relation to his own residence and his wife's business. Chatham, like the government, doesn't need to rush to everyone's rescue. Poor planning on their part doesn't mean we should be their rescuers. Let Hawich poney up their own money. Kind of like the school system - how's that working out? Too many conflicts. No more needed.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:35:31
The elaborate woodworks at the Eldredge Library , in the older section, is worth a trip. Like, what machine was used to make all these turned spindles that delineate the railings upstairs?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:11:28
Regarding the IMA, I have total confidence in the two accomplished Selectmen, one a lawyer and one with financial expertise, who diligently negotiated an compromised agreement with Harwich. How is it that Chatham benefits from foregoing payment of $6,750,000 from Harwich? IMHO, regional cooperation is critical if the Cape is ever going to solve its wastewater problem.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:53:56
Got upstairs in the Eldredge Library Genealogy Section this afternoon, after not having been in that section since 1955 or so CHS students, like everyone else, were allowed in to the Library only at certain hours and certain days. And, no talking back then!
WOW! The collections they have for New England genealogical history is amazing! My wife found info that she was looking for, re SGT Harlow of Plymouth, and other more recent clues about her MA ancestors.
The Library is a gem!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:05:18
Very interesting "You Guest It" article in the Chronicle by Elaine Gibbs about the Harwich/Chatham proposed sewer deal. What a nightmare that could be.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:04:44
If you mix ginger ale and tomatoe juice then you should't drink vodka.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 13:35:47
Grandmother Reb Ryder had a lot of Nantucket sayings. Like, "I feel like a 9 with the tail cut off."
Or,"You deserve a leather medal". Or, "Don't act Polpisify." (Her family was living downtown, Polpis was farm country.)"Or, Come in, you're out." Or, "You can get used to anything if you live long enough." (She was a widow for 50 years.)
There are several pages of these.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 16:42:41
Another: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 10:53:37
How about, no matter what walk of life you come from, if you
1) do what's right
2) you do the best to your ability
3) That you genuinely care about others
This is what really matters!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 09:40:57
There's another saying: "Democracy is not a spectator sport."
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:44:57
As the saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for."
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:38:10
The Chowderman is one smart guy.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 21:54:18
What were those words? "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 20:05:49
The Chowderman never ran for anything because he was afraid he might get elected.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 00:37:36
I didn't get elected either. I'm at peace with it.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:48:34
When I ran for Selectman in Eastham, I only had three signs but I used to rotate them around the Town. Got 40% of the vote even though I was competing with an incumbent. Perhaps signs DO matter. Sort of glad I didn't get elected.
Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:43:13
Interesting array of lawn signs around town. Sixteen more days!
Debbie
Chatham,, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 08:26:02
J.W. Dalton's book Life Savers of Cape Cod is a good profile of the 13 backside Life saving stations from Ptown to Monomoy Point and their Keepers and crews in 1902. A good in depth look at a select region of the service.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Sun 04/23/2017 - 09:33:25
Since there seems to be a lull in the action;
Keeper Daniel Cole of the Cahoon's Hollow Life-Saving Station (now known as the Beachcomber in the hinterlands of Wellfleet) went to sea when he was nine on a Grand Banks schooner.

The early Keepers of the Life-Saving Service were chosen from the ranks of such men who had spent a lot of time at sea. Many had been Captains of various vessels. Their official title was "Keeper", but to their crew they were always called "Captain".
Grandfather Richard E. Ryder, born in Chatham, was referred to as Captain Ryder after he became Officer in Charge of the USCG Monomoy Station in 1916. He had previously served at Old Harbor Life-Saving Station, the Monomoy Point LSS Station, at Gurnet LSS Station in Duxbury, and the floating Life-Saving Service Station at City Point in Dorchester. Who knew of a floating station? Actually, there were only two in the U.S. The other was in Louisville, KY.
C.B. Olson has some Life Saving History in his background, as do many others who visit this site.
Always looking to hear from other descendants of Life-Savers.

Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/22/2017 - 17:39:10
It was quite common for a young man of 18 back then to have risen in stature to be a Mate for a schooner. Some of the boys back then went to sea when they were nine! As cooks usually. Basically able to boil water.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 19:26:55
In 2011, before the new Mitchell River Bridge was completed, I prepared a history of the bridge from its original construction in 1871-1872 to 1982 when the fourth reconstruction of the bridge was completed. I provided the Chatham Historical Society with a copy of the history and would be pleased to email a copy to anyone who might be interested. I am reasonably confident that my sources for the history are accurate, but I would welcome any research or personal recollections that might show that any of my sources are incorrect.

Here is an excerpt from the history:

"In the Chatham Monitor of May 5, 1938, it was reported that Deputy Grand Master Harold Tuttle of the St. Martin's Masonic Lodge presented an appreciation medal to Zenas Hawes. In his presentation speech, Tuttle recalled the fact that Hawes was mate on the ship, Annie Belden, commanded by Captain Elnathan Mayo 'when the lumber for the first bridge across Mitchell's River was the cargo.' Because Hawes had not been born until 1853, it is unlikely he was a 5 year old mate in 1858 [the year some have claimed the bridge was originally constructed], but would have been about 18 years old in 1871 when the lumber was purchased for the bridge by Atwood and Edwards."

George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 17:12:21
Thanks much, Richard, for the pointer to the article about Manana. I'd like to track that down.

The old fog bell from Manana can be seen up on the hill at the Monhegan Light. It was replaced by a fog horn installation at some point. Here are a handful of photos I took of it in 2012: http://serenity.jjd.com/Images/manana-fog-station/

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 07:26:40
As far as the history of fog bells and fog signals go on Manana Island, Me, the latest issue of Lighthouse Digest has what I would consider the definitive history of the subject . "The Roving Fog Bell of The Manana Island Fog Signal Station".
As much as I keep away from Facebook, suggest interested parties go to Facebook.com/LighthouseDigest. Maybe the article will show up there.
Mostly it was a Fog Bell, not much as a Fog Horn. It was called a Fog Signal Station. Who knew?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 18:06:32
Mike:
I have photos of the pier being built in 1946, as well as the Town Meeting warrant article that funded the original pier. Please email me so I can send you the flicks.

Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 17:36:12
Hi all,

I am attempting to collect all the vintage photos I can of the Chatham Fish Pier in the 1950's and early 1960's. If anyone has any pictures that they are willing to share I would appreciate it!

Thanks!

Mike Crosman <crosmanmj@verizon.net>
College Park, MD USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 10:54:49
One thing that Coasties stationed near any type of foghorn would say, is that they would always pause while speaking in the interval of the blast out of habit. Sometimes they carried this trait ashore and would unknowingly pause every few seconds or minutes without realizing it, while talking to family or whomever.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 17:24:07
I still spend half a year in my childhood home at the top of Andrew Harding's Lane and enjoy the rotating light. I always imagined the Stonehorse and Pollock Rip fog horns were talking to each other. I wonder how the Coast Guardsmen on those lightships preserved their hearing. The sound must have been brutal.
Lisa Edge
CHERRY HILL, NJ USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 16:55:46
I frequently go to Monhegan Island, ME. Off the coast of Monhegan is a small island called Manana that has a now-defunct Coast Guard foghorn station. The signs there warn something to the effect of "Warning: Automated Foghorn can sound at any time. Proceeding beyond this point can cause death."
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:46:38
The back bedroom windows of our family home would catch the light as it cycled round and round. The hypnotic rhythm against the dark sky was both mysterious and calming. Fell asleep to it many times. Seeing how relatively small the Fresnel top is makes the reach and power of the light amazing. Would have loved to see the Twins but it was already one by my lifetime.
Melissa
USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:13:27
I could not let the evening pass, without at least saying Joyous Happy Easter to all. Didn't hear too much about the early morning Easter Vigil today at Chatham Light. Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu ia.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 21:14:26
If you approach Stage Harbor from Nantucket Sound, the channel has you lined up with the Hardings Beach Light (fixed) and the Chatham Light (flashing). At least it was, last time I brought the CG36500 to Stage Harbor.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 18:03:37
This dialogue is very interesting . Glenn S. also knows there were 122,000 bricks delivered to Stage Harbor by schooner in 1877 for lining the new North and South Towers. The cast iron outside shell is conical, but the interior brickwork is cylindrical and the two parts meet just near the lantern room. The Nauset Light, formerly the North Tower at Chatham, is not physically attached to the cement pad which was poured in 1923 just prior to the move. No bolts! Just an estimated 90 tons. The wind doesn't seem to affect the round Nauset Light very much. Wonder what the building code would require today, 94 years later?
Hardings Beach Light is of similar construction.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 17:03:58
Don't forget that when the lighthouses and windmills were built in Chatham, they were naviagational aids for both the Atlantic Ocean and Nantucket Sound, due to the fact there were so few trees.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 15:28:07
One of the main reasons the lighthouse windows were blackened on the on west and southwest side was to prevent boat captains in Nantucket Sound from seeing the beacon and getting confused.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 14:28:41
Thanks to all who shared memories about the foghorn and lighthouse beam. I remember as a little child standing right against the lighthouse at Portland Head one time when the foghorn started. Something not to be forgotten - scared the daylights out of me! Would anyone have an idea of when they painted some of the window panes black at the lighthouse? Wonder if there had been some complaints about it shining onto Main Street by those who unfortunately, didn't appreciate it as much as you all did.
Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 13:01:59
Nobska Light in Woods Hole still has a foghorn. It used to be on the shoreward side of the road and was aimed across the road. Big surprise for motorists passing by at the right time. Now it is across the road and no longer causes drivers to lose control of their autos.
steve
Falmouth, USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:45:57
The late "Park" Hammatt was also assigned to the Barateria. In the mid-sixties, I think. Park was also one of the Orleans based Sea Scouts that made national headlines when the troop, led by "Mon" Cochrane, rowed two repurposed CG pulling boats from Monomoy to Nantucket in the fifties.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:25:25
No Richard, I was on a Weather Cutter, the Barataria out of Portland Maine.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 18:41:44
There might be another town in the US that had the pleasure of hearing two lightship foghorns some nights, but I don't know where they might be. Amazing that so many people we meet at Old Harbor Station in the summer have no clue about the existence of lightships.
Some Coast Guardsmen say duty on the lightships was brutal, others loved it. Barry Fulcher., weren't you on one?
No record of a fog horn at Chatham Light, (not needed due to the lightships) but I think there was one at Highland Light in Truro and a steam powered whistle at Race Point Light.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 17:42:11
My young sons shared a bunk room in a house on Little Beach. They would count the rotations of beams of light coming from the light house instead of counting sheep. A special memory.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 12:30:36
For me, growing up at the end of Andrew Harding Lane, it was the cadence of the light house shining through my west bedroom windows that put me to sleep. And, weather permitting, the crashing of the waves on North Beach coming in through my east bedroom windows. The two together were awesome, and somehow in sync at times!
Bill N.
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 09:00:00
Danny, with you it was wheels; with Mark it's wings. I hope he is well. Please tell him I said hello.
JimP
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 08:43:20
You may be right, Barry. If it didn't have wheels on it I didn'F pay too much attention.
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 21:29:32
Richard, the album of Ruby and Harvey would be very interesting to my wife Marie, as she worked for Ruby and Cass at the cleaning shop. She remained very close to Ruby and found her when she died. A good place to share them with those of us that remember them would be on Facebook under If you grew up in Chatham, do you remember.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 20:38:05
As I slept on the attic floor mattress, with my ear to the East window, after working all day in a downtown shop, and waitressing at the Queen Anne Inn for dinner guests, the foghorn was my favorite friend. ( No guest picnics to pack at 6am). Would not trade the 50s and 60s for a million.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 15:57:27
Judy, I grew up on School Street during my early years and hearing the fog horn at night from the lightship would lull me to sleep at night. I still love fog and still miss the fog horn.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:39:06
Dan. I think that you, might, have heard the Nantucket lightship if the wind was from the Southeast,but the horns you probably heard were from the Pollock Rip or Stone Horse lightships,maybe the Cross Rip,as they were much closer to Chatham.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:31:16
"Centimeter" John AKA Highpockets...had two at our house - good times! I still remember the birthday cake you brought to Doane Road gathering.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:05:31
Danny- yes - that's it thanks!!!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 09:05:09
I believe it was the Nantucket Lightship
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:49:49
Hi Jennifer - Yes, I believe it was on the Lightship - not the Lighthouse. I would imagine others on this room used to hear it as well. Perhaps Mr. Ryder can add more to this. I "believe" this was when it was located way out in front of the Lighthouse. . . I was perhaps 6-8 at the time? Not sure - so long ago.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:39:30
Judy P. - I had a question about your mentioning a fog horn. Was that on the lightship? I hadn't heard about there ever being a fog horn on the lighthouse and was curious. Thanks!
Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:28:26
Ben H: I was at the Chat-M-Room meetups that we had but I was NOT the organizer. That was done by our various hosts using the site. I believe we had at least three of them, or was it four or more? Based on photos and memory, I recall being at the Olson's, Edge's, Chapman's, Pratt's and was there one at D Nickerson's?
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 03:57:03
I agree with Judith,Debbie,and George - Dick politics are indeed dangerous topic local or national but any topic should be OK if we avoid the personal sniping and cheap shots - I apologize if I crossed these lines or offended anyone - Think it's great that Richard, Carl (Bobo Olson middleweight boxing champ aka Chowderman)and others from that era are planning a 60th class reunion - I hope that same Chatham spirit will be picked up by John Hallgren who did such a great job organizing our original reunion so that he might consider promoting another reunion at the end of the summer - I remember having a great time with the Pattersons and Donnie Nick with his John Deere hat at that pot luck gathering but they are no longer with us - Must have been at least 20 of us John used to have photos - Time to meet and get to know Judith and others face to face - Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 21:38:43
I agree with both Debbie and Judith. Many of us did not have the "growing up" experience in Chatham that many of you did, but that does not mean our interest in Chatham is any less (even if we don't vote here).
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 20:11:30
Richard - I remember my mom telling us stories of her grandfather who was a Lighthouse Keeper. I wish I had paid more attention. I remember one story she told me that when he was on the "Lightship" and my grandfather was a small boy he missed him so much he rowed out to see him. I remember being very small in bed at night listening to the fog horn and being scared. Wow - what memories you brought back - thank you!
JudyP
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:29:45
Debbie, I agree with you. The boss (John) has always made it clear that local politics is a welcome topic, but not national elections. Only a few people broke that rule. It shouldn't be up to one or two people to dictate what sort of discussion ensues. I find it is the people who live and vote here, who are most interested in our current and future issues. Those who once lived here seem to want the room to be about the past. It can be both as long as John approves.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:15:57
Maybe it is time to relate nicknames? Mine was Rinky Dink, based on nothing. (Thanks, John Pratt.)
Verne Hunt was Digger. (His Dad was the undertaker) .Carl was Bobo. Diane M. was Patia. John Chanberlain was Chamby..
I challenge others to step up. From other classes too!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:09:45
By the way, those of us who graduated with Carl know his middle name started with a B after his Dad, not H.. Like CBO. How could he have had a nickname like "Bobo" otherwise?
Many of the West Chatham folks certainly are closely related to the Hardings. Noted ship captains and Lighthouse Keepers, they were.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:47:32
Form vs from? I know the difference. Josephine Crowell would perhaps given me a B+.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:35:29
In the interest in pursuing a change in the current thread,
I have a photo album (that John Whelan has seen) that has photos taken in the 1918 era of Chatham places but a lot of Chatham people are in there as well. Like, pictures of Ruby Bloomer and Harvey Bloomer at very early ages.
Since neither of them had any children, who might be interested in the snapshots?
You might notice the Cape Cod Five Calendar for this year recently had a photo of the Stage Harbor pier, elevated by accumulating ice.. That photo was taken form this photo album I speak of.
Next stop for the album? Chatham Historical Society.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:29:18
Politics does not belong in this chat room. You talk about a mess, that is what you will get if you let politics take over this room. You want to talk politics, go on Facebook.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 16:59:02
"Divided mess"? The room that "we"want? Who gualifies as a "we"? Silly me....I thought this venue was open to all. Also that the rules allow for comments on current political topics. What am I missing?
Debbie
Chatham,, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 12:45:44
Nancy nailed it - that's the room we want and had - We just weighed in with memories and stories from the old days - even had a Chatmroom reunion hosted by Jean and Gordon then later one hosted by Carl and Carol - would be so much fun to point in that direction again for early September but all the politics and squabbling seem to undermine that possibility some in here actually don't like or respect one another - Dick you may be glad to see John has complete control as it should be but until he brings us all together with something along the lines of a reunion or get together, I say it's a divided mess with finger pointing, politics, and rules
Ben H
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 21:55:33
John, glad to see you have complete control of this chat room as it should be.
Don't let some on this site grind you down. If they do not like how you run this forum, don't participate. Simple.

Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:29:34
Sorry, but I am so over this debacle. Whatever happened to our old Chat-M-Room? You know.....the one with interesting information about our beautiful town and the "kind" people in it.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:15:45
Judith: Sorry but that 'simple solution' hasn't yet been accomplished by sites with massive resources, like Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Google, etc. so for me to try to do so would be impossible, and would destroy one of the core principles upon which this site was created which was that virtually anyone was free to make comments here, subject to a few rules on decency and those to block spam.

And maybe you can point me to some specific entries by those two names that have caused you to label them 'trouble-makers' because I don't recall any right now which are any worse/different than content found in Chronicle Letters. That type of content is one of the factors in my evaluation of any post. And had those same posts been made by someone who people know, would you say the same thing?

If you or others see something you believe is inaccurate or false, you/others are free to challenge it but remember in some cases, people of opposing views have different perceptions of the exact same data, which doesn't make one view true and the other false.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 17:47:53
Judith maybe next go around you should run for selectman to help change this "corrupt" town YOU live in. I do not understand you or your views but respect them. Now get out and walk the beaches, stroll Main St., hike the trails and enjoy all Chatham has to offer. Oh and yes vote for Davis!!
George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 16:10:16
Amy, some of us just want fairness. When I came to Chatham many years ago, I saw only the beauty around us, and I was thrilled to live here. As I became better educated about the business of the town, government, politics, special interest groups, and challenges, it was obvious there are issues here (perhaps like many other towns) that are not beautiful and deserve attention. This is a place where citizens can do that, hopefully responsibly. Best not to hide our heads in the sand, although many choose to do so.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 15:54:20
It amazes me that some of those who post are so concerned with the name associated with the post. I like reading the content of the posts. There are two candidates and supporters for each. Let's try to respect one another whether you know or think you know who is posting. Let's get out of ourselves for a bit and look around...it's a big world out there with weighty issues...aliases used in a chat room in a small town are pretty small potatoes. And smile...many of us actually get to live in this beautiful place called Chatham.
Amy
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 14:37:00
Sorry John, but I think you've been "played". The simple solution to this problem is to no longer permit assumed names, aliases, pretenders and people who do not wish to be accountable to contribute to this site. It's too easy for those people to promote inaccuracies, false charges and get away with it, unless someone in this room knows better and challenges them. "Steve Harding" and "George Hamilton" (in his dreams!) have been trouble-makers. This is your site, but I think you have responsibilities along with ownership. If someone is so worried about retribution that he uses an alias or assumed name and blocked phone number in order to protect his employment or business, perhaps refraining from comments in this room would be wise.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 12:44:57
Let me try once again to clarify my feelings when it comes to signatures here:
1) As long as a signature cannot be confused with another existing poster, it's generally fine. The 'name' Steve/n Harding was unique and had not been used before here, and AFAIK, neither has Harding been used as a last name but only as a maiden/middle name.
2) While Harding is a name that has special value to some users here, and I understand that, it's not a surname that doesn't exist outside of Chatham and thus can be used by other posters, even if it's not their actual name. Same goes for Nickerson or Eldredge and many others.
3) I have NO means to verify if a name is real or not and thus allow names which could be real if user is from another city/state. Alan Wirsul is an example, as many thought it was a fake name but it's a real name for a real person who happens to live off-Cape.
4) I resent the 'stupid liberal interpretations which you call rules' statement as many others here have no issues with my rules, which are, I think, clearly defined and implemented. And by the nature of the office, BOS and candidates for it are allowed to be criticized a bit more than others. I attempt to show no favoritism in my Moderator posts/actions to BOS related posts.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 11:47:28
Ben -- thank you for the kind comments about my Mom. She never would have used the vile comments directed at Mr. Taylor as the fake Mr. Harding did. In fact, my mother was a strong supporter of Seth Taylor . There is no doubt in my mind she would support Mr. Taylor in this upcoming election and not be swayed by developers as the other candidate has been.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:31:24
Bill M Chronicle 4/6/17 at p. 5.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:18:15
I wonder who Carl Harding Olson agrees with.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:11:24
Hey Jennifer - great thought and attitude but "see John in charge, see John deal with it" - this Harding psedonymn blocked number charade gets worse by the day - from my perspective room moderator John is allowing Mr Blocked Number and maybe others to hide behind and discredit a great respected Chatham name - Jane Harding Patterson was a force in here for many years and wrote a book about that Harding girl growing up in Chatham - C'mon John, you're a good man at heart, get over these stupid literal interpretations which you call rules and pledge to all of us that every Harding we see in here from now on is a "real genuine Harding" - we could care less about your private conversations and blocked numbers - we all just want to know that the name is real or if you must allow aliases, please don't let the poster use someone else's real name - I think Jane is shaking her finger at you right now! /s/ Benjamin Harding Hallowell Jr
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/11/2017 - 20:18:51
Yes, Judith, a blocked nbr...because it seems someone feels that they may possibly suffer some form of negative financial impact and/or other retributions if their identity as related to these comments is known. I have heard of that happening in town before so I am willing to try and accommodate users like that. If you wish to not do so, that's fine but others should realize that this person might even be someone everyone knows based on their desire to remain private, as the more known a person is, the greater potential for harm exists.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 23:11:47
OMG John! A blocked number! Someone's really paranoid. Maybe a Russian spy. I give up. You will do what you will do.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 22:06:01
Judith: I had a phone call from a blocked nbr yesterday and the person said "I am the one posting as Steve Harding". We talked for about 7+ minutes about the problem those posts were causing and what solution to it could be achieved behind the scenes to prevent any future impostors of that signature.

I do NOT know who the person was before call and still do NOT, ok? However, the caller DID state they were recently responsible for the pro-Shareen post (and the first impostor notification) and NOT the followup pro-Seth ones. Caller also stated that no one else authorized had used that signature in the last year that it has been seen here.
As to my own views: I attempt to do my best to remain neutral in cases like this because I don't believe it's good for the site for me to take sides. However, I do favor posts which provide positive reasons for any particular candidate instead of those which attack the opposition or worse, attack the poster themselves.
Finally, I do NOT consider a person who feels the need to protect their true identity here for business, employment, personal or other reasons to be an impostor. That term only applies to someone who fraudulently uses another users signature.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:19:27
Please, enough about Steve Harding! John is in charge, he's handling it.
So as our granddaughters say, "Let it Go"!

Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:02:16
John: Let me understand. A "Steve Harding" supports Shareen, and you happen to know who that person really is. And another "Steve Harding" should be ignored? You have personally told me you don't know who "Steve Harding" is. If you support Shareen, just say so. If you think you now know who "Steve Harding" is, it may not mean anything to you if that person is not a voter, but it may be significant to others when a imposter supports a candidate. Just sayin'.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 20:04:36
Judith: I have stated before that unless you/others have some proof that you can share with me that multiple people are using that signature (other than the two definite impostor posts when that subject was used), that I would kindly request you refrain from making accusations like that. Just because a signature doesn't match voter rolls doesn't mean anything to me in terms of being a site user, as it's open to anyone with an interest in Chatham.
Now I do know that the person using that signature (it's NOT a moniker because it uses typical/valid first/last names) is a supporter of Shareen Davis so any posts contrary to that from that signature should be ignored.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:47:17
Interesting as there is no Steve Harding living and voting in Chatham and yet the charade continues by more than one person using that moniker. Take comments under advisement as he or she is an imposter.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:34:00
I attended a meet an greet for a Shareen Davis and she was very well received. Good group, all ages, working, retired, fishing community, merchants. She listens to people, doesn't lecture them. Wants to hear issues and doesn't have preconceived answers.
The discourse in Chatham will change for the better when she is elected.

Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:18:09
Bill M. I agree, and could't find any info on the town site. I think there was some coverage in last week's Chronicle, and maybe more this week. Meanwhile, I suggest you phone the Town Manager to suggest the trip was newsworthy. She was in DC too.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:02:03
I heard that Seth Taylor went to Washington DC last week and gave testimony to Congress to defend Chatham's rights on Monomoy and Nantucket Sound. I looked on the Town website but there is no trace of it anywhere that I could find. I thought that it would be pretty important to read something like this on the front page of the town's site. Does anyone know about this?
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 15:54:05
Richard I sent a picture of the only 2-wheel wheel chair to your comcast address. Hope you get it.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 13:59:42
I'll leave that one alone, John. I guess we have to pass it, to see how long it takes.
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 21:33:03
Can anyone show me a link to a picture of a two wheeled wheelchair, and where to buy it? The only thing I came up with is a spinoff of the Segway. Is that what you folks are referring to? Inquiring minds want to know.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 17:36:38
Speaking of LTE in Chronicle, I am not sure what math is used by one letter writer who claims the West Chatham roadway project will take 5 or 7 seasons..yet only span a two year period. The majority of people I know refer to a season on the Cape as the Memorial Day to Labor Day period or similar, so you could only have two seasons in two years. Winter/Spring/Summer/Fall may be seasons for clothing and such but not for Cape business from what I know so counting by them is just another way of trying to make it sound worse than it is.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 10:48:22
Jared's letter in the Chronicle hit the nail on the head. Good work!
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:53:10
Another letter this coming week by Todd Kelley. Todd and Jared have deep roots in Chatham and are both very distressed over what has become of the town....
Carol Kelley
USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:14:30
Excellent letter in this week's Chronicle by Jared Fulcher! Please take time to read if you haven't already done so.
JudyP
USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 20:49:30
So I go out for dinner and this site gets weird...and given the open nature of how it works, since user registration is a complex coding problem beyond my skills/abilities and time, plus as I'm not wanting to move it to platform which supports that because it would ruin the 'small town' feel that it has always had, this 'Steve Harding' signature has become a real problem!
So - whomever has been using that signature MUST contact me by email or phone to provide me with contact info by midnight Friday 04/07/17 if they want their posts to remain on this site as they currently exist.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 04:01:19
Aha! Dan Meservey. Art thou a Danny Kaye fan?
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:41:29
The Vessel from the Pessel has the Pellet with the poison. The Challis from Palice has the Brew that is true
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:28:59
There are a few people here who are going to wreck a very good thing
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:02:26
John, in an attempt to be fair and balanced I wrote the below post. I chose to speak positively about both Davis and Taylor. I agree with my impersonator that the site is becoming a challenge but disagree that he is me.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:25:11
Wow! Someone impersonating an impersonator- how very odd!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:21:36
Well John, it's getting pretty strange on the chat room. The previous post supposedly written by Steve Harding praising Mr. Taylor was not written by me. I feel the complete opposite of what that "fake' post says. I chose only to speak positively about Shareen Davis for which I appreciate yours and others comments. I do however disavow the post made today at 16:32:30 by someone impersonating me. Your efforts to keep your site on the up and up must be very challenging.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:13:18
Thanks for your support John. Posts have been pretty harsh about Selectman Taylor in the past but in fairness, and to be positive, obviously many people are also very happy to see that Selectman Taylor is running for re-election and when it comes down to it, a lot of people will be voting for him, that's for certain. He has shown a solid commitment to the voters and taxpayers of Chatham. In reviewing his records, Taylor does attend every Selectman's meeting prepared to discuss the issues and do the peoples business and he fights for the best interests of Chatham's citizens. Taylor puts a lot of time into the critical subjects that come before Chatham's BOS and last week's Chronicle letter that said: "Taylor Grasps Complex Issues" is accurate. Taylor has also probably been one of the most fair, open and transparent Selectmen that Chatham has had in recent memory- so that can't taken away from him. Chatham residents like him because he is honest and has integrity. Taylor cannot be corrupted, bought, or manipulated and nobody owns him. So it will be an interesting race. Honesty counts and while Taylor might talk too much and make some verbal gaffes at times, he is as honest as they come. Taylor is an excellent choice for Chatham voters as well.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 16:32:30
We always use this service during our bi-coastal trips. Dick in the chair with Lucy (the cat) on his lap. I have the carry-ons and often have to run like the wind in either Dallas or Phoenix. Once, the wheelchair guy actually rebooked a bunch of us in Dallas after storms caused massive cancellations. Talk about a BIG tip!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 10:31:16
Not the ones I ride in Rich. Maybe back in the day.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:49:39
All the wheel chairs I have commanded have always had two large wheels and two smaller ones.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:29:33
I could not agree more, Carl, and I always use one at the airports. Those who push me are always well taken care of by me as they do work extremely hard and deserve to be rewarded. So happy you are using the 2-wheeled chair, as well.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:58:31
Nancy is correct - a wheel chair. I use one when traveling by air, going to the doctor in Boston, and other occasions. I could not give enough positive comments to those who are so kind, thoughtful, and generous to me when I need help. My tipping jar has taken quite a hit over the past few years but they more than deserve whatever they receive.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:05:05
Carl, A wheel chair!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:35:12
Thanks, friends, for your pointers.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:08:31
April 3, 2017
Please be advised that Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has ordered that the United States flag and the Commonwealth flag be lowered to half-staff at all state buildings effective immediately, today April 3, 2017 until the day of interment in honor of Massachusetts State Senator Kenneth J. Donnelly, Fourth Middlesex district, of Arlington, MA who passed away on April 2, 2017. Additional details surrounding the date of interment will be provided once received by the Governor's Office.
https://www.amherstma.gov/1729/Flags-in-Amherst

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 11:02:31
Carl: A bicycle?
We need to start planning for our CHS 60th HS reunion. Ross Gould and I will be working here on my tractor carburetor tomorrow morning, so maybe we'll come up with some ideas.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 10:49:28
Bob, I saw it as a post on the news site capecod.com. That's all I know.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:34:59
BobR: I saw the flag info via a Facebook post by the Yarmouth PD so not sure if there's a state web site that may publish those notices or how that works.
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:21:18
Thanks Wayne, but I really would like to know where to find the information online. Anyone know the secret? I tried the town website - nada!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:12:35
BobR, the Governor had the flags lowered for a state senator that died suddenly.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:04:31
Great drone video of the new break shot by Chris Seufert. Take a look at it, he knows what he is doing!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEv3EjqZofI

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:35:35
How does one learn for whom the rotary flag flies at half-mast?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:18:07
Ben H - Got a hot rod Ford and a two dollar bill; try my best to get Fran to Blueberry Hill. The soda pop and the dancing is free, so if you if you want a good time then leave Sad Sacks with me.

Today's pop quiz - what do you call a chair with two wheels?

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 02:14:43
Wayne and Bill M - After much frustration, I have grown to think of John as the "Great Uncle" who. whether we like it or not, hosts the Chatham family reunion. He has his own rules and is rightly criticized for selective and overly literal enforcement but it's John's reunion - he tells us where to sit, he chooses the menu. he even tells us what is permitted discussion at the dinner table. Why do we put up with this? Because, like it or not, we want to attend the reunion and catch up with one another. We all have news and memories we want to share - in order to do that, we have to put up with literal rules and interpretations which only John's mind can fathom - some long timers like Bruce in Alaska simply say enough and announce they are leaving - the rest of us hang around hoping for less politics/squabbles and more quizzes from Chowderman or at least his memories of Blueberry Hill.
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 20:47:26
Bill M. I disagree! I think John does a great job. I think what you and many others do not understand this is not a public open forum, it is John's website. If you do not like the way he runs it go somewhere else or start your own. That has been tried but has not worked well. Everyone always comes back to John's.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:36:43
Judith: I have always tried my best to be 'fair and balanced' when it comes to which political related comments are ok and which are not. The key distinction that some don't seem to understand but which matters to me is: Is the comment directed at the poster or the issue/candidate? The latter is generally acceptable but the former, usually not. So it's normally not the point of view that might cause an issue but how the poster expresses it.

Bill M: Yes, I will fully admit to having slightly different rules but I have fully disclosed that previously. Because what gets a poster more flexibility and latitude is my greater ability to contact them outside of this site. If I have a phone nbr and email addr and know them in person, like a number of folks here, I'm more lenient since I can discuss any issue with the post with them. But if I have no way to contact a poster and don't know them, I'm more strict. My long time users are fine with this policy, I believe.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:22:33
John, Unfortunately you have different rules for different people. Your enforcement is selective.
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:44:14
John I think you have misunderstood my comment. In NO way have I criticized positive comments. But, there should be balance, and not condemnation of someone who has an opposing point of view. That's what free speech is all about, not censoring points of view you might not agree with.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:14:03
Judith, while you continue to remain suspicious, I would suggest you post something positive about the person YOU would support for selectmen. I agree with Steven and Carl and look forward to the upcoming town election.

Once again, thank you John for continuing to volunteer your time and efforts on this site.

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 14:30:00
Judith: I was simply saying that positive comments about either candidate are preferable over negative comments about the candidate whom that person opposes. And I find no reason why anyone who makes a strictly complimentary post should be criticized, ok? The comments themselves are basically open to being discussed but not the ability of the poster to make them, even if that poster remains unknown (even to me).

I also disagree with your contention that multiple people have used the "Steve Harding" signature unless you have reasonable proof of that occurring but the limited data I have as to identity shows that it appears to come from the same person. If you/anyone wants to ignore those posts, that's your choice but I'm not going to limit them when they (thus far) follow the minimum rules I have here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 13:36:06
John H: The elections in Chatham are very important to the people who live and vote here. I'm concerned that you seem to wish only complimentary or supportive comments regarding candidates. That's not been the policy in the past, and I hope you haven't decided to change the policy. There is factual information available at town offices regarding the names of some of the supporters of candidates. That information can be illuminating. I suspect (not sure) that's where Judy P. got her information. I think it's relevant as people make their decision about who will best represent the people of the town.

It's quite clear that more than one person has assumed the name "Steve Harding". Since there is not a registered voter in Chatham by that name, I don't think the comments deserve much attention in MHO.

Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 11:08:32
I'm on Carl's side on this. A strictly positive comment re any candidate without any negative attacks is the type of political post that should be the ones here ideally if there are going to be some. While Steve Harding may not be posters actual name, it meets my criteria for a non-moniker signature and has been used enough times to establish a pattern, so this person certainly has the right to post something like that.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 09:30:29
Flew over the new brake yesterday with my brother Norm at low tide and saw the CBI boat going threw it. This break is now established. Its over 100 ft. wide.
Don St. Pierre <lobsteringdstp@comcast.net>
N Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 08:17:44
Steve Harding - I though that was a nice and well written endorsement of Sharee Davis, whom I will vote for, and, I assume, JudyP will not.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 03:26:15
"Steve Harding" - knock off the polictics- please - we don't care to hear your thoughts on Shareen - who has succumbed to developers $$$ and their backing
Judyp
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 22:41:10
Very happy that Shareen Davis is running for Selectman. She is qualified in so many ways. A local, a person who has lived her whole life in Chatham, raised her family here, made her living here, volunteered her time here. She is a person who truly understands the challenges of making a living in such a seasonal economy but understands the benefits of making it work. She will properly represent the diverse interests of those that choose to live here, work here, summer here or visit here.and she will do it by bringing people together. Excellent choice for Chatham voters.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 19:07:29
Stay tuned for the latest developments on this wandering, fairly substantial, buoy. Thanks Bob and Dick for your learned inputs.
The rock outcrop (awash most times) this buoy represents is not a nice place to hit.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:30:13
I am flashing white in an occult fashion.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:06:05
Coast Guard helicopter checked it out several times while I was quahoging and then left.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 17:45:53
Is it still flashing red every 4 seconds?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:42:09
USCG Notice to Mariners last month listed that buoy as OFF STA (station) . Certainly is now. Wonder how they will retrieve it? Need to get a line to it, then pull it off the beach and hoisted on to a buoy tender I'd guess.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:32:41
The bouy is from old man ledge, Muscongus, Maine.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 07:15:13
It was hard to tell which buoy it was through the haze yesterday. CG was watching it and they too thought it was the C buoy. Wonder where it came from?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 16:29:37
C-buoy still in place. A very large buoy is ashore about a mile southwest or so of the C-buoy location, at the high water mark. Best place to view this stuff would be the boardwalk northeast of the weather station.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 15:45:14
Emily, There are lots of photos and videos. You just have to know where to look.Go to these pages, Chatham Southway,Chatham Three Breaks, and Chatham News and Cool Photos. Also try Jimmie Fallon and Randy Saul. Randy went through it in his boat this morning and got video and Jimmie walked down and also got video.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:26:40
I wish some would post a photo on Facebook!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:14:58
The site of the former tombolo is confusing as of this morning at 10:15. It's difficult to tell what will remain of the inlet and a way to get to south beach, if at all possible. Lots swirling water everywhere. Hasn't discouraged the seals tho. One small sandbar giving them a place to congregate. It also looks like there will be other areas of south beach where the ocean will break through sooner rather than later.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 11:45:09
Just returned from the "Lights". It has broken through inside where the pond used to be, Washing right through there so as to prevent anyone from getting to South Beach, at least at high tide. We watched the
"C" Buoy depart it's mooring and head South around 4 PM.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:19:51
South Beach is having a major wash over where it joins the Tombolo. The one on 3/23 was just a wash over but this one looks much worse. It could be a breach.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:15:34
I heard the old "Hook Fishermen's" group leader in a radio interview last week say " There are currently more than one hundred active boats fishing out of Aunt Lydia's Cove." The only boat in sight of the Chatham Municipal Pier has not been off its mooring in years. Someone has lost touch with reality. The bar, however, is as bad as it gets. You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time...you know the rest.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:34:49
Yes! They are operating out of either Saquatucket or Wychmere in Harwich, or Stage Harbor in Chatham. After today's no'theaster with 50 mph NE winds, and 20 foot seas there may be a big change in the entrance(s). Recently, there was a reported 2 feet of water at low tide at the bar. For reference, the CG36500 draws 3 1/2 feet. However, she has a 2000 lb bronze keel so hitting bottom does no damage as long as she can keep moving.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:32:46
Where have all the fishing vessels gone from Aunt Lydia's Cove? Is crossing the bar gotten THAT bad?
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 10:58:32
Better than a dull line

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