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This is Article 38. The IMA doesn't require Town Meeting approval by State Law. So I guess the outcome must be non-binding.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 20:20:37
Totally agree. I have to say I am impressed with how the Harwich Selectman really went to bat for their people. Too bad Chatham's didn't and are only able to see dollar signs. Harwich stands to gain much more than Chatham ever will and as pointed out in the article - it never will end. Sad that so many folks don't see the writing on the wall. Town Meeting will decide - but one better hope that it is a BINDING vote.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:54:41
Guess we need to see how this plays out at Town Meeting. Meanwhile, I stand by my comments.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:47:50
Debbie - if you read Elaine's article carefully - you'll see it makes absolutely no sense to venture into that "muck". Just because one is an attorney doesn't mean they are necessarily correct. There is another attorney who posts here frequently and his judgement leaves little to be desired. I question the other individual who clearly can't even figure out what a conflict of interest is in relation to his own residence and his wife's business. Chatham, like the government, doesn't need to rush to everyone's rescue. Poor planning on their part doesn't mean we should be their rescuers. Let Hawich poney up their own money. Kind of like the school system - how's that working out? Too many conflicts. No more needed.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:35:31
The elaborate woodworks at the Eldredge Library , in the older section, is worth a trip. Like, what machine was used to make all these turned spindles that delineate the railings upstairs?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:11:28
Regarding the IMA, I have total confidence in the two accomplished Selectmen, one a lawyer and one with financial expertise, who diligently negotiated an compromised agreement with Harwich. How is it that Chatham benefits from foregoing payment of $6,750,000 from Harwich? IMHO, regional cooperation is critical if the Cape is ever going to solve its wastewater problem.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:53:56
Got upstairs in the Eldredge Library Genealogy Section this afternoon, after not having been in that section since 1955 or so CHS students, like everyone else, were allowed in to the Library only at certain hours and certain days. And, no talking back then!
WOW! The collections they have for New England genealogical history is amazing! My wife found info that she was looking for, re SGT Harlow of Plymouth, and other more recent clues about her MA ancestors.
The Library is a gem!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:05:18
Very interesting "You Guest It" article in the Chronicle by Elaine Gibbs about the Harwich/Chatham proposed sewer deal. What a nightmare that could be.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:04:44
If you mix ginger ale and tomatoe juice then you should't drink vodka.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 13:35:47
Grandmother Reb Ryder had a lot of Nantucket sayings. Like, "I feel like a 9 with the tail cut off."
Or,"You deserve a leather medal". Or, "Don't act Polpisify." (Her family was living downtown, Polpis was farm country.)"Or, Come in, you're out." Or, "You can get used to anything if you live long enough." (She was a widow for 50 years.)
There are several pages of these.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 16:42:41
Another: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 10:53:37
How about, no matter what walk of life you come from, if you
1) do what's right
2) you do the best to your ability
3) That you genuinely care about others
This is what really matters!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 09:40:57
There's another saying: "Democracy is not a spectator sport."
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:44:57
As the saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for."
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:38:10
The Chowderman is one smart guy.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 21:54:18
What were those words? "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 20:05:49
The Chowderman never ran for anything because he was afraid he might get elected.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 00:37:36
I didn't get elected either. I'm at peace with it.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:48:34
When I ran for Selectman in Eastham, I only had three signs but I used to rotate them around the Town. Got 40% of the vote even though I was competing with an incumbent. Perhaps signs DO matter. Sort of glad I didn't get elected.
Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:43:13
Interesting array of lawn signs around town. Sixteen more days!
Chatham,, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 08:26:02
J.W. Dalton's book Life Savers of Cape Cod is a good profile of the 13 backside Life saving stations from Ptown to Monomoy Point and their Keepers and crews in 1902. A good in depth look at a select region of the service.
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Sun 04/23/2017 - 09:33:25
Since there seems to be a lull in the action;
Keeper Daniel Cole of the Cahoon's Hollow Life-Saving Station (now known as the Beachcomber in the hinterlands of Wellfleet) went to sea when he was nine on a Grand Banks schooner.

The early Keepers of the Life-Saving Service were chosen from the ranks of such men who had spent a lot of time at sea. Many had been Captains of various vessels. Their official title was "Keeper", but to their crew they were always called "Captain".
Grandfather Richard E. Ryder, born in Chatham, was referred to as Captain Ryder after he became Officer in Charge of the USCG Monomoy Station in 1916. He had previously served at Old Harbor Life-Saving Station, the Monomoy Point LSS Station, at Gurnet LSS Station in Duxbury, and the floating Life-Saving Service Station at City Point in Dorchester. Who knew of a floating station? Actually, there were only two in the U.S. The other was in Louisville, KY.
C.B. Olson has some Life Saving History in his background, as do many others who visit this site.
Always looking to hear from other descendants of Life-Savers.

Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/22/2017 - 17:39:10
It was quite common for a young man of 18 back then to have risen in stature to be a Mate for a schooner. Some of the boys back then went to sea when they were nine! As cooks usually. Basically able to boil water.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 19:26:55
In 2011, before the new Mitchell River Bridge was completed, I prepared a history of the bridge from its original construction in 1871-1872 to 1982 when the fourth reconstruction of the bridge was completed. I provided the Chatham Historical Society with a copy of the history and would be pleased to email a copy to anyone who might be interested. I am reasonably confident that my sources for the history are accurate, but I would welcome any research or personal recollections that might show that any of my sources are incorrect.

Here is an excerpt from the history:

"In the Chatham Monitor of May 5, 1938, it was reported that Deputy Grand Master Harold Tuttle of the St. Martin's Masonic Lodge presented an appreciation medal to Zenas Hawes. In his presentation speech, Tuttle recalled the fact that Hawes was mate on the ship, Annie Belden, commanded by Captain Elnathan Mayo 'when the lumber for the first bridge across Mitchell's River was the cargo.' Because Hawes had not been born until 1853, it is unlikely he was a 5 year old mate in 1858 [the year some have claimed the bridge was originally constructed], but would have been about 18 years old in 1871 when the lumber was purchased for the bridge by Atwood and Edwards."

George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 17:12:21
Thanks much, Richard, for the pointer to the article about Manana. I'd like to track that down.

The old fog bell from Manana can be seen up on the hill at the Monhegan Light. It was replaced by a fog horn installation at some point. Here are a handful of photos I took of it in 2012:

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 07:26:40
As far as the history of fog bells and fog signals go on Manana Island, Me, the latest issue of Lighthouse Digest has what I would consider the definitive history of the subject . "The Roving Fog Bell of The Manana Island Fog Signal Station".
As much as I keep away from Facebook, suggest interested parties go to Maybe the article will show up there.
Mostly it was a Fog Bell, not much as a Fog Horn. It was called a Fog Signal Station. Who knew?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 18:06:32
I have photos of the pier being built in 1946, as well as the Town Meeting warrant article that funded the original pier. Please email me so I can send you the flicks.

Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 17:36:12
Hi all,

I am attempting to collect all the vintage photos I can of the Chatham Fish Pier in the 1950's and early 1960's. If anyone has any pictures that they are willing to share I would appreciate it!


Mike Crosman <>
College Park, MD USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 10:54:49
One thing that Coasties stationed near any type of foghorn would say, is that they would always pause while speaking in the interval of the blast out of habit. Sometimes they carried this trait ashore and would unknowingly pause every few seconds or minutes without realizing it, while talking to family or whomever.
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 17:24:07
I still spend half a year in my childhood home at the top of Andrew Harding's Lane and enjoy the rotating light. I always imagined the Stonehorse and Pollock Rip fog horns were talking to each other. I wonder how the Coast Guardsmen on those lightships preserved their hearing. The sound must have been brutal.
Lisa Edge
CHERRY HILL, NJ USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 16:55:46
I frequently go to Monhegan Island, ME. Off the coast of Monhegan is a small island called Manana that has a now-defunct Coast Guard foghorn station. The signs there warn something to the effect of "Warning: Automated Foghorn can sound at any time. Proceeding beyond this point can cause death."
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:46:38
The back bedroom windows of our family home would catch the light as it cycled round and round. The hypnotic rhythm against the dark sky was both mysterious and calming. Fell asleep to it many times. Seeing how relatively small the Fresnel top is makes the reach and power of the light amazing. Would have loved to see the Twins but it was already one by my lifetime.
USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:13:27
I could not let the evening pass, without at least saying Joyous Happy Easter to all. Didn't hear too much about the early morning Easter Vigil today at Chatham Light. Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu ia.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 21:14:26
If you approach Stage Harbor from Nantucket Sound, the channel has you lined up with the Hardings Beach Light (fixed) and the Chatham Light (flashing). At least it was, last time I brought the CG36500 to Stage Harbor.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 18:03:37
This dialogue is very interesting . Glenn S. also knows there were 122,000 bricks delivered to Stage Harbor by schooner in 1877 for lining the new North and South Towers. The cast iron outside shell is conical, but the interior brickwork is cylindrical and the two parts meet just near the lantern room. The Nauset Light, formerly the North Tower at Chatham, is not physically attached to the cement pad which was poured in 1923 just prior to the move. No bolts! Just an estimated 90 tons. The wind doesn't seem to affect the round Nauset Light very much. Wonder what the building code would require today, 94 years later?
Hardings Beach Light is of similar construction.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 17:03:58
Don't forget that when the lighthouses and windmills were built in Chatham, they were naviagational aids for both the Atlantic Ocean and Nantucket Sound, due to the fact there were so few trees.
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 15:28:07
One of the main reasons the lighthouse windows were blackened on the on west and southwest side was to prevent boat captains in Nantucket Sound from seeing the beacon and getting confused.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 14:28:41
Thanks to all who shared memories about the foghorn and lighthouse beam. I remember as a little child standing right against the lighthouse at Portland Head one time when the foghorn started. Something not to be forgotten - scared the daylights out of me! Would anyone have an idea of when they painted some of the window panes black at the lighthouse? Wonder if there had been some complaints about it shining onto Main Street by those who unfortunately, didn't appreciate it as much as you all did.
Jennifer <>
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 13:01:59
Nobska Light in Woods Hole still has a foghorn. It used to be on the shoreward side of the road and was aimed across the road. Big surprise for motorists passing by at the right time. Now it is across the road and no longer causes drivers to lose control of their autos.
Falmouth, USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:45:57
The late "Park" Hammatt was also assigned to the Barateria. In the mid-sixties, I think. Park was also one of the Orleans based Sea Scouts that made national headlines when the troop, led by "Mon" Cochrane, rowed two repurposed CG pulling boats from Monomoy to Nantucket in the fifties.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:25:25
No Richard, I was on a Weather Cutter, the Barataria out of Portland Maine.
Barry Fulcher <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 18:41:44
There might be another town in the US that had the pleasure of hearing two lightship foghorns some nights, but I don't know where they might be. Amazing that so many people we meet at Old Harbor Station in the summer have no clue about the existence of lightships.
Some Coast Guardsmen say duty on the lightships was brutal, others loved it. Barry Fulcher., weren't you on one?
No record of a fog horn at Chatham Light, (not needed due to the lightships) but I think there was one at Highland Light in Truro and a steam powered whistle at Race Point Light.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 17:42:11
My young sons shared a bunk room in a house on Little Beach. They would count the rotations of beams of light coming from the light house instead of counting sheep. A special memory.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 12:30:36
For me, growing up at the end of Andrew Harding Lane, it was the cadence of the light house shining through my west bedroom windows that put me to sleep. And, weather permitting, the crashing of the waves on North Beach coming in through my east bedroom windows. The two together were awesome, and somehow in sync at times!
Bill N.
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 09:00:00
Danny, with you it was wheels; with Mark it's wings. I hope he is well. Please tell him I said hello.
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 08:43:20
You may be right, Barry. If it didn't have wheels on it I didn'F pay too much attention.
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 21:29:32
Richard, the album of Ruby and Harvey would be very interesting to my wife Marie, as she worked for Ruby and Cass at the cleaning shop. She remained very close to Ruby and found her when she died. A good place to share them with those of us that remember them would be on Facebook under If you grew up in Chatham, do you remember.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 20:38:05
As I slept on the attic floor mattress, with my ear to the East window, after working all day in a downtown shop, and waitressing at the Queen Anne Inn for dinner guests, the foghorn was my favorite friend. ( No guest picnics to pack at 6am). Would not trade the 50s and 60s for a million.
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 15:57:27
Judy, I grew up on School Street during my early years and hearing the fog horn at night from the lightship would lull me to sleep at night. I still love fog and still miss the fog horn.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:39:06
Dan. I think that you, might, have heard the Nantucket lightship if the wind was from the Southeast,but the horns you probably heard were from the Pollock Rip or Stone Horse lightships,maybe the Cross Rip,as they were much closer to Chatham.
Barry Fulcher <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:31:16
"Centimeter" John AKA Highpockets...had two at our house - good times! I still remember the birthday cake you brought to Doane Road gathering.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:05:31
Danny- yes - that's it thanks!!!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 09:05:09
I believe it was the Nantucket Lightship
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:49:49
Hi Jennifer - Yes, I believe it was on the Lightship - not the Lighthouse. I would imagine others on this room used to hear it as well. Perhaps Mr. Ryder can add more to this. I "believe" this was when it was located way out in front of the Lighthouse. . . I was perhaps 6-8 at the time? Not sure - so long ago.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:39:30
Judy P. - I had a question about your mentioning a fog horn. Was that on the lightship? I hadn't heard about there ever being a fog horn on the lighthouse and was curious. Thanks!
Jennifer <>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:28:26
Ben H: I was at the Chat-M-Room meetups that we had but I was NOT the organizer. That was done by our various hosts using the site. I believe we had at least three of them, or was it four or more? Based on photos and memory, I recall being at the Olson's, Edge's, Chapman's, Pratt's and was there one at D Nickerson's?
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 03:57:03
I agree with Judith,Debbie,and George - Dick politics are indeed dangerous topic local or national but any topic should be OK if we avoid the personal sniping and cheap shots - I apologize if I crossed these lines or offended anyone - Think it's great that Richard, Carl (Bobo Olson middleweight boxing champ aka Chowderman)and others from that era are planning a 60th class reunion - I hope that same Chatham spirit will be picked up by John Hallgren who did such a great job organizing our original reunion so that he might consider promoting another reunion at the end of the summer - I remember having a great time with the Pattersons and Donnie Nick with his John Deere hat at that pot luck gathering but they are no longer with us - Must have been at least 20 of us John used to have photos - Time to meet and get to know Judith and others face to face - Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 21:38:43
I agree with both Debbie and Judith. Many of us did not have the "growing up" experience in Chatham that many of you did, but that does not mean our interest in Chatham is any less (even if we don't vote here).
George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 20:11:30
Richard - I remember my mom telling us stories of her grandfather who was a Lighthouse Keeper. I wish I had paid more attention. I remember one story she told me that when he was on the "Lightship" and my grandfather was a small boy he missed him so much he rowed out to see him. I remember being very small in bed at night listening to the fog horn and being scared. Wow - what memories you brought back - thank you!
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:29:45
Debbie, I agree with you. The boss (John) has always made it clear that local politics is a welcome topic, but not national elections. Only a few people broke that rule. It shouldn't be up to one or two people to dictate what sort of discussion ensues. I find it is the people who live and vote here, who are most interested in our current and future issues. Those who once lived here seem to want the room to be about the past. It can be both as long as John approves.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:15:57
Maybe it is time to relate nicknames? Mine was Rinky Dink, based on nothing. (Thanks, John Pratt.)
Verne Hunt was Digger. (His Dad was the undertaker) .Carl was Bobo. Diane M. was Patia. John Chanberlain was Chamby..
I challenge others to step up. From other classes too!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:09:45
By the way, those of us who graduated with Carl know his middle name started with a B after his Dad, not H.. Like CBO. How could he have had a nickname like "Bobo" otherwise?
Many of the West Chatham folks certainly are closely related to the Hardings. Noted ship captains and Lighthouse Keepers, they were.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:47:32
Form vs from? I know the difference. Josephine Crowell would perhaps given me a B+.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:35:29
In the interest in pursuing a change in the current thread,
I have a photo album (that John Whelan has seen) that has photos taken in the 1918 era of Chatham places but a lot of Chatham people are in there as well. Like, pictures of Ruby Bloomer and Harvey Bloomer at very early ages.
Since neither of them had any children, who might be interested in the snapshots?
You might notice the Cape Cod Five Calendar for this year recently had a photo of the Stage Harbor pier, elevated by accumulating ice.. That photo was taken form this photo album I speak of.
Next stop for the album? Chatham Historical Society.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:29:18
Politics does not belong in this chat room. You talk about a mess, that is what you will get if you let politics take over this room. You want to talk politics, go on Facebook.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 16:59:02
"Divided mess"? The room that "we"want? Who gualifies as a "we"? Silly me....I thought this venue was open to all. Also that the rules allow for comments on current political topics. What am I missing?
Chatham,, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 12:45:44
Nancy nailed it - that's the room we want and had - We just weighed in with memories and stories from the old days - even had a Chatmroom reunion hosted by Jean and Gordon then later one hosted by Carl and Carol - would be so much fun to point in that direction again for early September but all the politics and squabbling seem to undermine that possibility some in here actually don't like or respect one another - Dick you may be glad to see John has complete control as it should be but until he brings us all together with something along the lines of a reunion or get together, I say it's a divided mess with finger pointing, politics, and rules
Ben H
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 21:55:33
John, glad to see you have complete control of this chat room as it should be.
Don't let some on this site grind you down. If they do not like how you run this forum, don't participate. Simple.

Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:29:34
Sorry, but I am so over this debacle. Whatever happened to our old Chat-M-Room? You know.....the one with interesting information about our beautiful town and the "kind" people in it.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:15:45
Judith: Sorry but that 'simple solution' hasn't yet been accomplished by sites with massive resources, like Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Google, etc. so for me to try to do so would be impossible, and would destroy one of the core principles upon which this site was created which was that virtually anyone was free to make comments here, subject to a few rules on decency and those to block spam.

And maybe you can point me to some specific entries by those two names that have caused you to label them 'trouble-makers' because I don't recall any right now which are any worse/different than content found in Chronicle Letters. That type of content is one of the factors in my evaluation of any post. And had those same posts been made by someone who people know, would you say the same thing?

If you or others see something you believe is inaccurate or false, you/others are free to challenge it but remember in some cases, people of opposing views have different perceptions of the exact same data, which doesn't make one view true and the other false.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 17:47:53
Judith maybe next go around you should run for selectman to help change this "corrupt" town YOU live in. I do not understand you or your views but respect them. Now get out and walk the beaches, stroll Main St., hike the trails and enjoy all Chatham has to offer. Oh and yes vote for Davis!!
George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 16:10:16
Amy, some of us just want fairness. When I came to Chatham many years ago, I saw only the beauty around us, and I was thrilled to live here. As I became better educated about the business of the town, government, politics, special interest groups, and challenges, it was obvious there are issues here (perhaps like many other towns) that are not beautiful and deserve attention. This is a place where citizens can do that, hopefully responsibly. Best not to hide our heads in the sand, although many choose to do so.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 15:54:20
It amazes me that some of those who post are so concerned with the name associated with the post. I like reading the content of the posts. There are two candidates and supporters for each. Let's try to respect one another whether you know or think you know who is posting. Let's get out of ourselves for a bit and look's a big world out there with weighty issues...aliases used in a chat room in a small town are pretty small potatoes. And smile...many of us actually get to live in this beautiful place called Chatham.
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 14:37:00
Sorry John, but I think you've been "played". The simple solution to this problem is to no longer permit assumed names, aliases, pretenders and people who do not wish to be accountable to contribute to this site. It's too easy for those people to promote inaccuracies, false charges and get away with it, unless someone in this room knows better and challenges them. "Steve Harding" and "George Hamilton" (in his dreams!) have been trouble-makers. This is your site, but I think you have responsibilities along with ownership. If someone is so worried about retribution that he uses an alias or assumed name and blocked phone number in order to protect his employment or business, perhaps refraining from comments in this room would be wise.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 12:44:57
Let me try once again to clarify my feelings when it comes to signatures here:
1) As long as a signature cannot be confused with another existing poster, it's generally fine. The 'name' Steve/n Harding was unique and had not been used before here, and AFAIK, neither has Harding been used as a last name but only as a maiden/middle name.
2) While Harding is a name that has special value to some users here, and I understand that, it's not a surname that doesn't exist outside of Chatham and thus can be used by other posters, even if it's not their actual name. Same goes for Nickerson or Eldredge and many others.
3) I have NO means to verify if a name is real or not and thus allow names which could be real if user is from another city/state. Alan Wirsul is an example, as many thought it was a fake name but it's a real name for a real person who happens to live off-Cape.
4) I resent the 'stupid liberal interpretations which you call rules' statement as many others here have no issues with my rules, which are, I think, clearly defined and implemented. And by the nature of the office, BOS and candidates for it are allowed to be criticized a bit more than others. I attempt to show no favoritism in my Moderator posts/actions to BOS related posts.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 11:47:28
Ben -- thank you for the kind comments about my Mom. She never would have used the vile comments directed at Mr. Taylor as the fake Mr. Harding did. In fact, my mother was a strong supporter of Seth Taylor . There is no doubt in my mind she would support Mr. Taylor in this upcoming election and not be swayed by developers as the other candidate has been.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:31:24
Bill M Chronicle 4/6/17 at p. 5.
George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:18:15
I wonder who Carl Harding Olson agrees with.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:11:24
Hey Jennifer - great thought and attitude but "see John in charge, see John deal with it" - this Harding psedonymn blocked number charade gets worse by the day - from my perspective room moderator John is allowing Mr Blocked Number and maybe others to hide behind and discredit a great respected Chatham name - Jane Harding Patterson was a force in here for many years and wrote a book about that Harding girl growing up in Chatham - C'mon John, you're a good man at heart, get over these stupid literal interpretations which you call rules and pledge to all of us that every Harding we see in here from now on is a "real genuine Harding" - we could care less about your private conversations and blocked numbers - we all just want to know that the name is real or if you must allow aliases, please don't let the poster use someone else's real name - I think Jane is shaking her finger at you right now! /s/ Benjamin Harding Hallowell Jr
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/11/2017 - 20:18:51
Yes, Judith, a blocked nbr...because it seems someone feels that they may possibly suffer some form of negative financial impact and/or other retributions if their identity as related to these comments is known. I have heard of that happening in town before so I am willing to try and accommodate users like that. If you wish to not do so, that's fine but others should realize that this person might even be someone everyone knows based on their desire to remain private, as the more known a person is, the greater potential for harm exists.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 23:11:47
OMG John! A blocked number! Someone's really paranoid. Maybe a Russian spy. I give up. You will do what you will do.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 22:06:01
Judith: I had a phone call from a blocked nbr yesterday and the person said "I am the one posting as Steve Harding". We talked for about 7+ minutes about the problem those posts were causing and what solution to it could be achieved behind the scenes to prevent any future impostors of that signature.

I do NOT know who the person was before call and still do NOT, ok? However, the caller DID state they were recently responsible for the pro-Shareen post (and the first impostor notification) and NOT the followup pro-Seth ones. Caller also stated that no one else authorized had used that signature in the last year that it has been seen here.
As to my own views: I attempt to do my best to remain neutral in cases like this because I don't believe it's good for the site for me to take sides. However, I do favor posts which provide positive reasons for any particular candidate instead of those which attack the opposition or worse, attack the poster themselves.
Finally, I do NOT consider a person who feels the need to protect their true identity here for business, employment, personal or other reasons to be an impostor. That term only applies to someone who fraudulently uses another users signature.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:19:27
Please, enough about Steve Harding! John is in charge, he's handling it.
So as our granddaughters say, "Let it Go"!

Jennifer <>
USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:02:16
John: Let me understand. A "Steve Harding" supports Shareen, and you happen to know who that person really is. And another "Steve Harding" should be ignored? You have personally told me you don't know who "Steve Harding" is. If you support Shareen, just say so. If you think you now know who "Steve Harding" is, it may not mean anything to you if that person is not a voter, but it may be significant to others when a imposter supports a candidate. Just sayin'.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 20:04:36
Judith: I have stated before that unless you/others have some proof that you can share with me that multiple people are using that signature (other than the two definite impostor posts when that subject was used), that I would kindly request you refrain from making accusations like that. Just because a signature doesn't match voter rolls doesn't mean anything to me in terms of being a site user, as it's open to anyone with an interest in Chatham.
Now I do know that the person using that signature (it's NOT a moniker because it uses typical/valid first/last names) is a supporter of Shareen Davis so any posts contrary to that from that signature should be ignored.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:47:17
Interesting as there is no Steve Harding living and voting in Chatham and yet the charade continues by more than one person using that moniker. Take comments under advisement as he or she is an imposter.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:34:00
I attended a meet an greet for a Shareen Davis and she was very well received. Good group, all ages, working, retired, fishing community, merchants. She listens to people, doesn't lecture them. Wants to hear issues and doesn't have preconceived answers.
The discourse in Chatham will change for the better when she is elected.

Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:18:09
Bill M. I agree, and could't find any info on the town site. I think there was some coverage in last week's Chronicle, and maybe more this week. Meanwhile, I suggest you phone the Town Manager to suggest the trip was newsworthy. She was in DC too.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:02:03
I heard that Seth Taylor went to Washington DC last week and gave testimony to Congress to defend Chatham's rights on Monomoy and Nantucket Sound. I looked on the Town website but there is no trace of it anywhere that I could find. I thought that it would be pretty important to read something like this on the front page of the town's site. Does anyone know about this?
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 15:54:05
Richard I sent a picture of the only 2-wheel wheel chair to your comcast address. Hope you get it.
Barry Fulcher <>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 13:59:42
I'll leave that one alone, John. I guess we have to pass it, to see how long it takes.
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 21:33:03
Can anyone show me a link to a picture of a two wheeled wheelchair, and where to buy it? The only thing I came up with is a spinoff of the Segway. Is that what you folks are referring to? Inquiring minds want to know.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 17:36:38
Speaking of LTE in Chronicle, I am not sure what math is used by one letter writer who claims the West Chatham roadway project will take 5 or 7 seasons..yet only span a two year period. The majority of people I know refer to a season on the Cape as the Memorial Day to Labor Day period or similar, so you could only have two seasons in two years. Winter/Spring/Summer/Fall may be seasons for clothing and such but not for Cape business from what I know so counting by them is just another way of trying to make it sound worse than it is.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 10:48:22
Jared's letter in the Chronicle hit the nail on the head. Good work!
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:53:10
Another letter this coming week by Todd Kelley. Todd and Jared have deep roots in Chatham and are both very distressed over what has become of the town....
Carol Kelley
USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:14:30
Excellent letter in this week's Chronicle by Jared Fulcher! Please take time to read if you haven't already done so.
USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 20:49:30
So I go out for dinner and this site gets weird...and given the open nature of how it works, since user registration is a complex coding problem beyond my skills/abilities and time, plus as I'm not wanting to move it to platform which supports that because it would ruin the 'small town' feel that it has always had, this 'Steve Harding' signature has become a real problem!
So - whomever has been using that signature MUST contact me by email or phone to provide me with contact info by midnight Friday 04/07/17 if they want their posts to remain on this site as they currently exist.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 04:01:19
Aha! Dan Meservey. Art thou a Danny Kaye fan?
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:41:29
The Vessel from the Pessel has the Pellet with the poison. The Challis from Palice has the Brew that is true
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:28:59
There are a few people here who are going to wreck a very good thing
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:02:26
John, in an attempt to be fair and balanced I wrote the below post. I chose to speak positively about both Davis and Taylor. I agree with my impersonator that the site is becoming a challenge but disagree that he is me.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:25:11
Wow! Someone impersonating an impersonator- how very odd!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:21:36
Well John, it's getting pretty strange on the chat room. The previous post supposedly written by Steve Harding praising Mr. Taylor was not written by me. I feel the complete opposite of what that "fake' post says. I chose only to speak positively about Shareen Davis for which I appreciate yours and others comments. I do however disavow the post made today at 16:32:30 by someone impersonating me. Your efforts to keep your site on the up and up must be very challenging.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:13:18
Thanks for your support John. Posts have been pretty harsh about Selectman Taylor in the past but in fairness, and to be positive, obviously many people are also very happy to see that Selectman Taylor is running for re-election and when it comes down to it, a lot of people will be voting for him, that's for certain. He has shown a solid commitment to the voters and taxpayers of Chatham. In reviewing his records, Taylor does attend every Selectman's meeting prepared to discuss the issues and do the peoples business and he fights for the best interests of Chatham's citizens. Taylor puts a lot of time into the critical subjects that come before Chatham's BOS and last week's Chronicle letter that said: "Taylor Grasps Complex Issues" is accurate. Taylor has also probably been one of the most fair, open and transparent Selectmen that Chatham has had in recent memory- so that can't taken away from him. Chatham residents like him because he is honest and has integrity. Taylor cannot be corrupted, bought, or manipulated and nobody owns him. So it will be an interesting race. Honesty counts and while Taylor might talk too much and make some verbal gaffes at times, he is as honest as they come. Taylor is an excellent choice for Chatham voters as well.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 16:32:30
We always use this service during our bi-coastal trips. Dick in the chair with Lucy (the cat) on his lap. I have the carry-ons and often have to run like the wind in either Dallas or Phoenix. Once, the wheelchair guy actually rebooked a bunch of us in Dallas after storms caused massive cancellations. Talk about a BIG tip!
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 10:31:16
Not the ones I ride in Rich. Maybe back in the day.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:49:39
All the wheel chairs I have commanded have always had two large wheels and two smaller ones.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:29:33
I could not agree more, Carl, and I always use one at the airports. Those who push me are always well taken care of by me as they do work extremely hard and deserve to be rewarded. So happy you are using the 2-wheeled chair, as well.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:58:31
Nancy is correct - a wheel chair. I use one when traveling by air, going to the doctor in Boston, and other occasions. I could not give enough positive comments to those who are so kind, thoughtful, and generous to me when I need help. My tipping jar has taken quite a hit over the past few years but they more than deserve whatever they receive.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:05:05
Carl, A wheel chair!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:35:12
Thanks, friends, for your pointers.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:08:31
April 3, 2017
Please be advised that Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has ordered that the United States flag and the Commonwealth flag be lowered to half-staff at all state buildings effective immediately, today April 3, 2017 until the day of interment in honor of Massachusetts State Senator Kenneth J. Donnelly, Fourth Middlesex district, of Arlington, MA who passed away on April 2, 2017. Additional details surrounding the date of interment will be provided once received by the Governor's Office.

Cynthia Moore <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 11:02:31
Carl: A bicycle?
We need to start planning for our CHS 60th HS reunion. Ross Gould and I will be working here on my tractor carburetor tomorrow morning, so maybe we'll come up with some ideas.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 10:49:28
Bob, I saw it as a post on the news site That's all I know.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:34:59
BobR: I saw the flag info via a Facebook post by the Yarmouth PD so not sure if there's a state web site that may publish those notices or how that works.
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:21:18
Thanks Wayne, but I really would like to know where to find the information online. Anyone know the secret? I tried the town website - nada!
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:12:35
BobR, the Governor had the flags lowered for a state senator that died suddenly.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:04:31
Great drone video of the new break shot by Chris Seufert. Take a look at it, he knows what he is doing!!!!

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:35:35
How does one learn for whom the rotary flag flies at half-mast?
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:18:07
Ben H - Got a hot rod Ford and a two dollar bill; try my best to get Fran to Blueberry Hill. The soda pop and the dancing is free, so if you if you want a good time then leave Sad Sacks with me.

Today's pop quiz - what do you call a chair with two wheels?

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 02:14:43
Wayne and Bill M - After much frustration, I have grown to think of John as the "Great Uncle" who. whether we like it or not, hosts the Chatham family reunion. He has his own rules and is rightly criticized for selective and overly literal enforcement but it's John's reunion - he tells us where to sit, he chooses the menu. he even tells us what is permitted discussion at the dinner table. Why do we put up with this? Because, like it or not, we want to attend the reunion and catch up with one another. We all have news and memories we want to share - in order to do that, we have to put up with literal rules and interpretations which only John's mind can fathom - some long timers like Bruce in Alaska simply say enough and announce they are leaving - the rest of us hang around hoping for less politics/squabbles and more quizzes from Chowderman or at least his memories of Blueberry Hill.
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 20:47:26
Bill M. I disagree! I think John does a great job. I think what you and many others do not understand this is not a public open forum, it is John's website. If you do not like the way he runs it go somewhere else or start your own. That has been tried but has not worked well. Everyone always comes back to John's.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:36:43
Judith: I have always tried my best to be 'fair and balanced' when it comes to which political related comments are ok and which are not. The key distinction that some don't seem to understand but which matters to me is: Is the comment directed at the poster or the issue/candidate? The latter is generally acceptable but the former, usually not. So it's normally not the point of view that might cause an issue but how the poster expresses it.

Bill M: Yes, I will fully admit to having slightly different rules but I have fully disclosed that previously. Because what gets a poster more flexibility and latitude is my greater ability to contact them outside of this site. If I have a phone nbr and email addr and know them in person, like a number of folks here, I'm more lenient since I can discuss any issue with the post with them. But if I have no way to contact a poster and don't know them, I'm more strict. My long time users are fine with this policy, I believe.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:22:33
John, Unfortunately you have different rules for different people. Your enforcement is selective.
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:44:14
John I think you have misunderstood my comment. In NO way have I criticized positive comments. But, there should be balance, and not condemnation of someone who has an opposing point of view. That's what free speech is all about, not censoring points of view you might not agree with.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:14:03
Judith, while you continue to remain suspicious, I would suggest you post something positive about the person YOU would support for selectmen. I agree with Steven and Carl and look forward to the upcoming town election.

Once again, thank you John for continuing to volunteer your time and efforts on this site.

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 14:30:00
Judith: I was simply saying that positive comments about either candidate are preferable over negative comments about the candidate whom that person opposes. And I find no reason why anyone who makes a strictly complimentary post should be criticized, ok? The comments themselves are basically open to being discussed but not the ability of the poster to make them, even if that poster remains unknown (even to me).

I also disagree with your contention that multiple people have used the "Steve Harding" signature unless you have reasonable proof of that occurring but the limited data I have as to identity shows that it appears to come from the same person. If you/anyone wants to ignore those posts, that's your choice but I'm not going to limit them when they (thus far) follow the minimum rules I have here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 13:36:06
John H: The elections in Chatham are very important to the people who live and vote here. I'm concerned that you seem to wish only complimentary or supportive comments regarding candidates. That's not been the policy in the past, and I hope you haven't decided to change the policy. There is factual information available at town offices regarding the names of some of the supporters of candidates. That information can be illuminating. I suspect (not sure) that's where Judy P. got her information. I think it's relevant as people make their decision about who will best represent the people of the town.

It's quite clear that more than one person has assumed the name "Steve Harding". Since there is not a registered voter in Chatham by that name, I don't think the comments deserve much attention in MHO.

Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 11:08:32
I'm on Carl's side on this. A strictly positive comment re any candidate without any negative attacks is the type of political post that should be the ones here ideally if there are going to be some. While Steve Harding may not be posters actual name, it meets my criteria for a non-moniker signature and has been used enough times to establish a pattern, so this person certainly has the right to post something like that.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 09:30:29
Flew over the new brake yesterday with my brother Norm at low tide and saw the CBI boat going threw it. This break is now established. Its over 100 ft. wide.
Don St. Pierre <>
N Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 08:17:44
Steve Harding - I though that was a nice and well written endorsement of Sharee Davis, whom I will vote for, and, I assume, JudyP will not.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 03:26:15
"Steve Harding" - knock off the polictics- please - we don't care to hear your thoughts on Shareen - who has succumbed to developers $$$ and their backing
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 22:41:10
Very happy that Shareen Davis is running for Selectman. She is qualified in so many ways. A local, a person who has lived her whole life in Chatham, raised her family here, made her living here, volunteered her time here. She is a person who truly understands the challenges of making a living in such a seasonal economy but understands the benefits of making it work. She will properly represent the diverse interests of those that choose to live here, work here, summer here or visit here.and she will do it by bringing people together. Excellent choice for Chatham voters.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 19:07:29
Stay tuned for the latest developments on this wandering, fairly substantial, buoy. Thanks Bob and Dick for your learned inputs.
The rock outcrop (awash most times) this buoy represents is not a nice place to hit.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:30:13
I am flashing white in an occult fashion.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:06:05
Coast Guard helicopter checked it out several times while I was quahoging and then left.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 17:45:53
Is it still flashing red every 4 seconds?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:42:09
USCG Notice to Mariners last month listed that buoy as OFF STA (station) . Certainly is now. Wonder how they will retrieve it? Need to get a line to it, then pull it off the beach and hoisted on to a buoy tender I'd guess.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:32:41
The bouy is from old man ledge, Muscongus, Maine.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 07:15:13
It was hard to tell which buoy it was through the haze yesterday. CG was watching it and they too thought it was the C buoy. Wonder where it came from?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 16:29:37
C-buoy still in place. A very large buoy is ashore about a mile southwest or so of the C-buoy location, at the high water mark. Best place to view this stuff would be the boardwalk northeast of the weather station.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 15:45:14
Emily, There are lots of photos and videos. You just have to know where to look.Go to these pages, Chatham Southway,Chatham Three Breaks, and Chatham News and Cool Photos. Also try Jimmie Fallon and Randy Saul. Randy went through it in his boat this morning and got video and Jimmie walked down and also got video.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:26:40
I wish some would post a photo on Facebook!
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:14:58
The site of the former tombolo is confusing as of this morning at 10:15. It's difficult to tell what will remain of the inlet and a way to get to south beach, if at all possible. Lots swirling water everywhere. Hasn't discouraged the seals tho. One small sandbar giving them a place to congregate. It also looks like there will be other areas of south beach where the ocean will break through sooner rather than later.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 11:45:09
Just returned from the "Lights". It has broken through inside where the pond used to be, Washing right through there so as to prevent anyone from getting to South Beach, at least at high tide. We watched the
"C" Buoy depart it's mooring and head South around 4 PM.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:19:51
South Beach is having a major wash over where it joins the Tombolo. The one on 3/23 was just a wash over but this one looks much worse. It could be a breach.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:15:34
I heard the old "Hook Fishermen's" group leader in a radio interview last week say " There are currently more than one hundred active boats fishing out of Aunt Lydia's Cove." The only boat in sight of the Chatham Municipal Pier has not been off its mooring in years. Someone has lost touch with reality. The bar, however, is as bad as it gets. You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the know the rest.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:34:49
Yes! They are operating out of either Saquatucket or Wychmere in Harwich, or Stage Harbor in Chatham. After today's no'theaster with 50 mph NE winds, and 20 foot seas there may be a big change in the entrance(s). Recently, there was a reported 2 feet of water at low tide at the bar. For reference, the CG36500 draws 3 1/2 feet. However, she has a 2000 lb bronze keel so hitting bottom does no damage as long as she can keep moving.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:32:46
Where have all the fishing vessels gone from Aunt Lydia's Cove? Is crossing the bar gotten THAT bad?
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 10:58:32
Better than a dull line

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